Okay, how about a pattern for a dog muzzle?

[VonFuct]

thanks but no thanks. Maybe no one actually read the initial post or my replies, I didn't ask if I should kennel train him or what your thoughts on how to train a dog were. I simply asked if anyone had made a muzzle or had a pattern for one. It's not even my dog so I can't make the choice to kennel train him or not. And yes, I know about kennel training and suggested it to my roommate multiple times. And you people all make it out like muzzles are animal abuse and like I'm planning on leaving it on the dog for days at a time. No, it would simply be a training aid. whatever.

[Spence]

Get a new roommate.

You were asked why you needed a muzzle and you answered. That invited more comment. Here's another one....a muzzle should NEVER be left on an unsupervised dog for any length of time. Period.

[VonFuct]

No, I didn't invite any comment or ask for anyones opinion (I have opinions too, but I keep them to myself unless asked) on the use of muzzles. Not that you people care but I'm about a day away from having my roommate get rid of the dog all together since he's not capible of dealing with him but I was TRYING to find another option since I know the dog is just not trained well enough yet. Thanks for making a new guy on your forum feel so welcome. To be honest, I joined this forum to learn more about leatherwork, not to hear random peoples opinion on dog training. If i wanted that, I would have joined a dog training forum.

[celticleather]

But. . . if anyone has a pattern that will fit my 62-year-old mother-in-law, I'd appreciate a holler.

These have been around since medieval times, called a scold's bridle! The tab on the inside held the tongue down and stopped it flapping!

[CitizenKate]

What is so difficult about putting him in a kennel, as compared to putting a muzzle on him when you have to leave him alone?

Kate

[VonFuct]

What is so difficult about putting him in a kennel, as compared to putting a muzzle on him when you have to leave him alone?

Kate

How is putting the WHOLE dog in a cage better than just putting a cage on his mouth? I'm not opposed to kennel training at all, in fact I suggested it to my roommate more than once, I just don't see why so many people are anti-muzzle if used in a safe and humane way. The more I read from QUALIFIED dog trainers, the more I think a muzzle can be a very helpful training aid. If you all think muzzles are so evil and bad, why do most vet's and dog groomers use them as well as a large number of dog trainers?

[CitizenKate]

How is putting the WHOLE dog in a cage better than just putting a cage on his mouth? I'm not opposed to kennel training at all, in fact I suggested it to my roommate more than once, I just don't see why so many people are anti-muzzle if used in a safe and humane way. The more I read from QUALIFIED dog trainers, the more I think a muzzle can be a very helpful training aid. If you all think muzzles are so evil and bad, why do most vet's and dog groomers use them as well as a large number of dog trainers?

A kennel is safer for the dog. But hey, just because I've owned and trained dogs myself for over thirty years (how about you?), don't take my word. The QUALIFIED trainers who taught me would also be happy give you a clue-by-four.

But whatever. If you're that determined to use muzzle, at least use one that is designed for pets (such as a wirebasket model), made and properly fitted by a QUALIFIED maker. I would surmise that would not be you.

Kate

[wildrose]

While you did ask for a pattern, Von Fuct, it isn't outside of the range of this forum for people to try to give constructive advise on alternatives. No one was slamming you by suggesting crate training. The fact that you yourself had suggested it to your roommate tells us that you knew of it too; the wise thing would've been to just state you'd done so and leave it at that, without getting defensive.

My family has owned Airedale Terriers for years; and anyone with terriers will tell you what chewers they are. We have always crate trained them, and it has never harmed them. A muzzle could get caught on any number of things within the home, and cause alot more trouble than a dog in a crate. It's sad that your roommate doesn't understand the potential benefits. Perhaps you could present them with research on both subjects (crate vs muzzle)

Crate training can be abused of course: my mom's boss kept his Airedale in a crate all day long and couldn't understand why the poor dog was bonkers upon being let out.

People are only trying to give suggestions, so let's not turn this into a shoving match, okay? No one is out to debate the value of properly used muzzles.

[tonyc1]

What is crate training?

Tony.

[VonFuct]

Wildrose, THANK YOU! I appreciate your reply very much. And yes, I will talk with my roommate about both crate training and muzzle use. Not trying to turn this in to an online shoving match at all, I'm just frustrated with a bad situation and trying to find a workable solution.