Moderator Wizcrafts Posted November 11, 2009 Moderator Report Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) I've never used an Adler patcher, but I have a Singer and the hand wheel must turn clockwise to operate. Tony. That is incorrect Tony. The wheel on almost all modern sewing machines turns counterclockwise. This is towards the operator, when pulled from the top in a downward direction, when facing the machine in the working position (in front of the machine body, lengthwise). Edited November 11, 2009 by Wizcrafts Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members oldtimer Posted November 11, 2009 Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) That is incorrect Tony. The wheel on almost all modern sewing machines turns counterclockwise. This is towards the operator, when pulled from the top in a downward direction, when facing the machine in the working position (in front of the machine body, lengthwise). Wizcrafts, It depends on where the handwheel is located: If the handwheel is mounted on the shaft located on the front of the machine it should turn clockwise, and if it is mounted on the mainshaft ( on the right side of the machine) it should turn counter clockwise. There are options, so Tony was right! ( I´ll bet at least 20 cents , maybe 30, that the problem with this machine is the needle, wrong needle system ! Many patchers have passed through my shop and the main problem has been needles that were from the wrong needle system. ) A 332 LL needle measured from the top to the eye shall be 38,9mm = 1,53 inches / Knut Edited November 11, 2009 by oldtimer Quote "The gun fight at the O.K. corral was actually started by two saddlemakers sitting around a bottle of whiskey talking about saddle fitting"...
Members ginny Posted November 11, 2009 Author Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 ok, i think we are getting somewhere!!! keep with me folks, your time is appreciated!! i am uploading another video... after watching the needle action as Wiz described (thanks for the step by step) i THINK that the needle is coming up too soon, or the other option is that the shuttle is not timed correctly, and is starting its return motion too late. after the needle goes down, and makes its slight up/down motion, the thread flips over to the right (i assume thats what people mean by 'loop') and lays over the groove in the shuttle. however, the needle begins to rise (and takes the thread with it of course) before the shuttle begins to return to its 'home' position. the result is that by the time the shuttle is in place to grab the upper thread, the thread is already too high. not sure whether the issue is the timing of the needle or the timing of the shuttle... but hopefully my analysis is correct?!?! still would like some confirmation after the video is watched... is this flipping over of the thread on the right the correct 'loop' formation??? thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubqsluIfrpc Quote
Members ginny Posted November 11, 2009 Author Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 in addition... here is a closeup picture of the needle... Quote
Members oldtimer Posted November 11, 2009 Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) ok, i think we are getting somewhere!!! keep with me folks, your time is appreciated!! i am uploading another video... after watching the needle action as Wiz described (thanks for the step by step) i THINK that the needle is coming up too soon, or the other option is that the shuttle is not timed correctly, and is starting its return motion too late. after the needle goes down, and makes its slight up/down motion, the thread flips over to the right (i assume thats what people mean by 'loop') and lays over the groove in the shuttle. however, the needle begins to rise (and takes the thread with it of course) before the shuttle begins to return to its 'home' position. the result is that by the time the shuttle is in place to grab the upper thread, the thread is already too high. not sure whether the issue is the timing of the needle or the timing of the shuttle... but hopefully my analysis is correct?!?! still would like some confirmation after the video is watched... is this flipping over of the thread on the right the correct 'loop' formation??? thanks. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ubqsluIfrpc It is a bit hard to see on the video. If the timing is correct the shuttlehook should pass the needle when the eye of the needle is below the hook, or it won´t grip the loop. If not, you must loosen the shuttle and reposition it on the gear rack. Think first, relocate then! And make sure the needle is of correct length! Hope this will help. / knut Watched the needle pic. It is OK! Edited November 11, 2009 by oldtimer Quote "The gun fight at the O.K. corral was actually started by two saddlemakers sitting around a bottle of whiskey talking about saddle fitting"...
Members tonyc1 Posted November 11, 2009 Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 That is incorrect Tony. The wheel on almost all modern sewing machines turns counterclockwise. This is towards the operator, when pulled from the top in a downward direction, when facing the machine in the working position (in front of the machine body, lengthwise). Well, Wiz, mine has the wheel on the front of the machine and I don't think it is an antique like some are using. Perhaps Singer made some for south of the equator and some for the north! What do you classify as modern? Tony. Quote
Members ginny Posted November 11, 2009 Author Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 ok, so i dont think the timing of the shuttle is correct. how do i correct this? per the instructions i have, i can remove parts from the rack box... ultimately taking out and repositioning the shuttle carrier. is this the correct way to adjust the shuttle, or is there another way? in addition, there is mention of adjusting the shuttle driver by way of the eccentric pin... is this relevant as well? in addition to adjusting the shuttle, do i need to adjust the needle bar lift? Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted November 11, 2009 Moderator Report Posted November 11, 2009 Well, Wiz, mine has the wheel on the front of the machine and I don't think it is an antique like some are using. Perhaps Singer made some for south of the equator and some for the north! What do you classify as modern? Tony. Oops! I completely forgot that some patchers had the wheel mounted on the front. I have never seen one in action, so I didn't know that the wheel turned clockwise. I'll keep that in mind in case I do encounter such a machine. I apologize for the error. I should now ask the question, "Does this Adler patcher have the hand wheel on the front or rear of the machine, when you sit in from of the long free-arm?" If the wheel faces the operator and rotation is supposed to be clockwise and Ginny is turning anti-clockwise, that would cause a failure to acquire the bobbin thread. What I should have said was that most modern machines that have a wheel on the back of the main shaft turn counterclockwise. Aside from that error it appears from the latest video that the shuttle is retarded in its action and needs to be advanced. Maybe the screw is loose that holds the gear on the underside of the shuttle assembly, or, maybe the shuttle gear needs to be advanced one tooth, in the rear rack. Once we know if the wheel is turning the right way, based on where it is mounted, we'll know if the timing is out or not. I think! Maybe. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members ginny Posted November 11, 2009 Author Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 ok, here is the the position of the wheel. i have been rotating counter clockwise... Quote
Members oldtimer Posted November 11, 2009 Members Report Posted November 11, 2009 ok, so i dont think the timing of the shuttle is correct. how do i correct this? per the instructions i have, i can remove parts from the rack box... ultimately taking out and repositioning the shuttle carrier. is this the correct way to adjust the shuttle, or is there another way? in addition, there is mention of adjusting the shuttle driver by way of the eccentric pin... is this relevant as well? in addition to adjusting the shuttle, do i need to adjust the needle bar lift? That´s the only way to correct the timing, and you can´t adjust the needle bar lift, so just advance the shuttle carrier one tooth. The adjust the needle sideways so it almost touches the shuttle hook, sew and see what happens. Have faith, Ginny! I have gone through this many years ago with my first old patcher, finally got my machine working and I learned a lot about sewing machines. / Knut (PS: lost my 20 cents today! but I have a working Adler for sale !) Quote "The gun fight at the O.K. corral was actually started by two saddlemakers sitting around a bottle of whiskey talking about saddle fitting"...
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