Fuel Prices

[tonyc1]

I noticed someone quoted the price of fuel at app. $3.30 a gallon. Lucky you don't live here! In todays paper it is listed at $1.51.9 a litre which makes it about $6.90 a gallon, and diesel is even dearer. The Gov. get the biggest slice of this as tax and excise.

Tony

[Denise]

It is almost 1.20 a litre here, and we produce the stuff!! The oil company's line is "we sell it on the world market so we have to sell it to you at the world price." Yeah right! How come people in the US and eastern Canada can buy western Canadian gas and oil cheaper than we can??!! (OK. This is a rant. Especially since they plopped an oil well 410 metres from our house last summer - our closest neighbour now - and didn't tell us because regulations say you only have to tell people withing 400 metres!! Yes, I have "talked" to the oil company involved...)

[TomSwede]

I noticed someone quoted the price of fuel at app. $3.30 a gallon. Lucky you don't live here! In todays paper it is listed at $1.51.9 a litre which makes it about $6.90 a gallon, and diesel is even dearer. The Gov. get the biggest slice of this as tax and excise.

Tony

I replied in that thread that we're about 8 USD if you calculate from Swedish crowns but then again everything's more expensive here wich naturally affects our salaries to appear to be higher.

Something that really pissed me off a few years ago was when Swedish government denied a really small company that makes a refined and really clean petroleum based fuel with no volumes whatsoever to expand their production because it would compete to much with the established petrol companies , :wtf: !

Environmental effect is a good cashcow for governments today but where's the moral in such activitys.

Tom

[wildrose]

We're about 3.30 USD/gallon here in Radford, VA, but it does vary wildly. We were in Roanoke this morning and it's only 3.11 there (ONLY! aargh!). Too bad it's just too far to go in a regular trip for gas, or that's where we'd fill up!

Some members of my family work for companies that are trying to produce an alternative fuel of hydrogen. I think the problem with that or any alternative fuel is that the gov's all over the world are too entrenched in the use of oil and whose pockets it lines.

[TwinOaks]

Rant ON:

Yeah, Holly, I have to agree with your last statement. The technologies are already present to virtually eliminate petroleum products as a fuel. BUT, the raw materials always seem to be REALLY expensive, or the science is, or the alternative fuel is, yadda, yadda, yadda. The governments are too tied in with the oil companies, and keep placing restrictions on the development of the new fuels. I saw a program that showcased a car (built in UK) that runs on a soup that's made of basically sea water, with a couple of multivitamins tossed in. It's a chemical conversion process that frees the hydrogen for fuel, and it's by products are something like, pure oxygen, a little fresh water, and a few grams of salt. Where is it now???? Probably confiscated for "review".

A bunch of college kids went to Australia with solar powered cars (and they were straight conversion, no capacitance at all IIRC), and proved that technology for cars. FedEx runs it's primary distrubution hub on the west coast via solar. They only buy about 2% of their ANNUAL power usage. Everything else is from the roof mounted solar panels. Heck, one town in Finland/Holland/Norway.... somewhere over near Tom....has gone green. Recycle everything, matter to energy conversion, geothermal, you name it. The calculation for average energy use was only wrong because the think tanks figured 1 computer per house, for only 1 hour...or some nonsense like that. Everyone there has a computer, and they run for more than one hour to be sure- so...gotta go buy some electricity.What a drag, their anual electric bill is somwhere around what it costs to fill up my old truck.

And.....the finale! The big hoopla in alternative (combustion) fuel is "Corn based Ethanol" --or-- "grandpa's 'shine recipe". What isn't being publicized is that better fuel can be produced using plant sugars that ARE NOT corn. Native grasses can do just fine, and are a faster, more renewable source that (since it's native) doesn't need a massive effort to transform the countryside to grow it. And then there's sugar cane- the grand poo-pa of the fuel plants. The only problem is that it's difficult to grow it up in the mid west.

I've long since decided to convert my home to solar power. It's a great way to go. Install the panels, add the battery, and away you go. Once you're battery is charged, anything you aren't using gets converted to AC and feeds back into the power grid- running the power meter backwards. Wouldn't it be nice to take a month off for vacation and come home to a check from the power company?

The only thing stopping me is the nearly $15,000 dollars to get the equipment Well, that's 'cause some oil exec is spending part of that 10 BILLION dollar profit to keep the good senators and congressmen from signing off on any new technologies. Well, thanks for reading....

Rant OFF

[tonyc1]

Rant ON:

Yeah, Holly, I have to agree with your last statement. The technologies are already present to virtually eliminate petroleum products as a fuel. BUT, the raw materials always seem to be REALLY expensive, or the science is, or the alternative fuel is, yadda, yadda, yadda. The governments are too tied in with the oil companies, and keep placing restrictions on the development of the new fuels. I saw a program that showcased a car (built in UK) that runs on a soup that's made of basically sea water, with a couple of multivitamins tossed in. It's a chemical conversion process that frees the hydrogen for fuel, and it's by products are something like, pure oxygen, a little fresh water, and a few grams of salt. Where is it now???? Probably confiscated for "review".

A bunch of college kids went to Australia with solar powered cars (and they were straight conversion, no capacitance at all IIRC), and proved that technology for cars. FedEx runs it's primary distrubution hub on the west coast via solar. They only buy about 2% of their ANNUAL power usage. Everything else is from the roof mounted solar panels. Heck, one town in Finland/Holland/Norway.... somewhere over near Tom....has gone green. Recycle everything, matter to energy conversion, geothermal, you name it. The calculation for average energy use was only wrong because the think tanks figured 1 computer per house, for only 1 hour...or some nonsense like that. Everyone there has a computer, and they run for more than one hour to be sure- so...gotta go buy some electricity.What a drag, their anual electric bill is somwhere around what it costs to fill up my old truck.

And.....the finale! The big hoopla in alternative (combustion) fuel is "Corn based Ethanol" --or-- "grandpa's 'shine recipe". What isn't being publicized is that better fuel can be produced using plant sugars that ARE NOT corn. Native grasses can do just fine, and are a faster, more renewable source that (since it's native) doesn't need a massive effort to transform the countryside to grow it. And then there's sugar cane- the grand poo-pa of the fuel plants. The only problem is that it's difficult to grow it up in the mid west.

I've long since decided to convert my home to solar power. It's a great way to go. Install the panels, add the battery, and away you go. Once you're battery is charged, anything you aren't using gets converted to AC and feeds back into the power grid- running the power meter backwards. Wouldn't it be nice to take a month off for vacation and come home to a check from the power company?

The only thing stopping me is the nearly $15,000 dollars to get the equipment Well, that's 'cause some oil exec is spending part of that 10 BILLION dollar profit to keep the good senators and congressmen from signing off on any new technologies. Well, thanks for reading....

Rant OFF

If someone invented an engine to run on urine, the Govt. would find a way to tax it!!!

Tony.

[Ian]

If someone invented an engine to run on urine, the Govt. would find a way to tax it!!!

Tony.

True, I don't believe the theories that energy companies are surpressing alternative fuels. If viable alt. fuels are discovered, the energy companies would control those too, since they already have the distribution system in place, and I'm sure they'd also like a fuel they can sell us that is immune from having to deal with the world's trouble spots and can be produced right here. . Any plant based fuels are impractical (look at what ethanol created, and that takes 80% of the energy it produces to manufacture it). Nope, as much as we wish there were something other than oil - that's probably it. And, if another source is developed, they sure as heck won't be giving it away.

[Jordan]

Well there is always methane, unfortunately I don't think I could eat enough beans to get to the store and back!

[Beaverslayer]

Well gas is $1.18.9 per litre here, that works out to $4.56 per US gallon. And to think all of our gas here in Calgary comes from a refinery less than 90 miles away. Really makes you wonder.

Ken

[Luke Hatley]

Well gas is $1.18.9 per litre here, that works out to $4.56 per US gallon. And to think all of our gas here in Calgary comes from a refinery less than 90 miles away. Really makes you wonder.

Ken

Ken, with gas at that price what type of vehicle do you drive ?

[Beaverslayer]

I have a 1990 Jeep Cherokee that I picked up at the auction for $270.00, that was a theft recovery. Had to put a new steering column in it that cost another $45.00, so about 4 1/2 tanks of gas altogether. Only down side is that the gas milage sucks with the 4 litre inline six engine. But she runs great.

One of my "to Do" things, is to recover the steering wheel I took from the old steering column and re-cover it with a carved and laced one...someday

Ken

[TwinOaks]

I'm in a similar situation, Ken. There's a Chevron refinery less than 50 miles from here, and prices are up.

Interestingly enough, the demographic of the fuel station really plays a large role in the fuel price. In some of the rural parts of Ms, the fuel prices are consitantly 15-20 cents cheaper than in the urban centers. True in Al, too. So it's not how much it cost to import, refine, and ship.....it's how much you're willing to pay for it.

And, I'd be willing to bet good nickels that it a truly viable alternative energy popped up- say tomorrow I found a compound to replace traditional solar cells and could mass produce it for pennies - oil would drop like a rock, BEFORE I could get the product to market.

But hey, what are we worried about? Oil prices won't matter once the giganto asteroid smashes the moon and peppers the planet with debris, before impacting the earth.

Edited April 12, 2008 by TwinOaks

[TwinOaks]

Hmmmm....I seem to be in a mood today.....time to go beat a dead cow.

[Ian]

I'm in a similar situation, Ken. There's a Chevron refinery less than 50 miles from here, and prices are up.

I just heard a story - gasoline in Venezuala costs 17 cents a gallon, but across the border in Columbia it's close to 4 bucks. There are guys who just drive back and forth all day, filling their tanks and driving back to Columbia to sell it - are making a fortune. But then, those Columbian dudes always were good at making a fortune taking things across the border hidden in gas tanks.

Speaking of which, as one of the last smokers left in the world, we just had a dollar a pack increase. Their rational is it is needed to cover the cost of health related issues, which is what they say each time they increase the tax. Every dollar increase generates around 250 million a year. I'll be joining the hoardes driving to tax free New Hampshire, and I might even fill my tank in Connecticut to avoid giving this socialist state the gas tax.

[tonyc1]

I just heard a story - gasoline in Venezuala costs 17 cents a gallon, but across the border in Columbia it's close to 4 bucks. There are guys who just drive back and forth all day, filling their tanks and driving back to Columbia to sell it - are making a fortune. But then, those Columbian dudes always were good at making a fortune taking things across the border hidden in gas tanks.

Speaking of which, as one of the last smokers left in the world, we just had a dollar a pack increase. Their rational is it is needed to cover the cost of health related issues, which is what they say each time they increase the tax. Every dollar increase generates around 250 million a year. I'll be joining the hoardes driving to tax free New Hampshire, and I might even fill my tank in Connecticut to avoid giving this socialist state the gas tax.

I'm a smoker also, so what do they cost in your neck of the woods?

Tony.

[Beaverslayer]

Here in my neck of the woods, smokes cost $12.50 for a 25 pack.

Ken

[Luke Hatley]

what kind of Blunts you smoking............ lol....

carotn price here is 32.00

Edited April 13, 2008 by Luke Hatley

[TwinOaks]

Here in my neck of the woods, smokes cost $12.50 for a 25 pack.

Ken

In that case, Ken, I'd like to order two leather wrapped cartons, please. Tooling optional.

Oh, wait...you said for a 25 pack. Nevermind....I'll keep bootlegging them from Mississippi.

Edited April 13, 2008 by TwinOaks

[Beaverslayer]

Luke, if only you could send me 100 cartons and I didn't have to pay all the taxes when they come across the border. When I was in prison we did not have to pay the taxes on smokes, there a 25 pack only cost $4.10, and there was no need for gas...LOL kinda makes ya wonder about retiring to a nice "Club Fed"...LOL

Up here we don't have the same as you in the IRS, we have a government that taxes EVERYTHING else. that way they don't have to chase so many people at the end of the year.

Hell we even got taxes to use the campgrounds to camp in. Here in Alberta alone, our great government has been "saving" some of the tax dollars for a few years now "for a rainy day" called the Heritage Savings Trust Fund, the thing has over 18 BILLION in it right now, and they just put a new "Royalty" on oil and gas exploration and production, to add to the "Rainy Day" fund.

Ken

[Jordan]

I had to explain why I had 2 cartons of cigareetes when I drove a tractor trailer into Calgary to deliver avacados from mexico in the dead of winter. Guess the border officers thought I was a real desparado and going to supply the the whole country, they tried to confiscate them but let it slide when I told them I was going to the west coast for my second drop and I smoked alot. That was almost 15 years ago, Hwy 1 was quite a drive biggest mountains I ever saw.

[Beaverslayer]

Jordan, yes they are big mountains. The diesel for that run now would set you back between $4.98 to about $5.30 per gallon, it's now quite a bit higher than regular gas.

Ken

[ferret]

I recently turned down the offer of a free car. With fuel costs over £1 per litre (about $9 us gallon) I can't afford to run it. Hand rolling tobacco and packet of papers costs about $12 an ounce, I daren't look at the price of ready made cigarretes. As for taxing urine it wouldn't work over here 'cos the goernment has been taking the p*** out of us for centuries.

[Ian]

Let's face it folks - with the new socialist world we've created, it's just a matter of putting your money in a pile, and after everyone takes what they beilieve their fair share of your earnings is, they you can have the little bit that's left. Deoesn't matter if it's gas, cigarettes, camprounds or the air we breathe. In the good old days, there would be some kind of revolution. Nowadays they keep everyone pacified with worries of the earth's temperature in a thousand years and bird flu. Keeps our minds off what's really happening. Makes me glad I'm not one of the kids born today.

[Bob]

Reading this thread is just plain depressing and discouraging.... Sure the prices of gas is going nutz. What can any of us do about it????

Feels like this cow I saw this morning. Perhaps most of us can relate.

[Ian]

Reading this thread is just plain depressing and discouraging.... Sure the prices of gas is going nutz. What can any of us do about it????

Feels like this cow I saw this morning. Perhaps most of us can relate.

Yup, feels like everytime you've got your head stuck under a dence, some @#$%^&* will sneak

up from behind. Thanks for the good laugh - that's a keeper