Members BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted December 12, 2010 Members Report Posted December 12, 2010 A coworker showed me part of a video that was shot at a Chinese fur farm. I won't post the link, but it is easily found if you want to check it out. Warning though, the images are very graphic, and very disturbing. I am not against fur, leather, and animal products in general. What I am opposed to is how these animals are being handled at these farms in China. The dogs, and other animals that they video taped were being skinned ALIVE, then tossed aside into piles to eventually die. I cannot imagine anyone who thinks that this is acceptable. To see those animals struggling under the knife, and howling in pain is horrible to see. He mentioned seeing one video with a cow be skinned the same way. Supposedly it is a faster way to get the skinning done, and doesn't bloody the pelt, I call BS. All I am saying is dispatch the animal in a humane manner before skinning. I also wonder how many women realize that the beautiful white fur on their coat, may very well be dog. It was noted that China now provides over 50% of the furs used today, even ones used for assembly in other countries. So knowing exactly where your items originate from can be tricky. I didn't hear stats on the leather like we use. There are some things in life that I could go without seeing, that was one of them. I have thought about what I saw for the last 3 days, and it will be awhile before I can shake those images. Absolutely sickening. You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
Members RooLeadGirl Posted December 12, 2010 Members Report Posted December 12, 2010 im pretty sure ive once seen the video you are talking about.. with the pile of animals still blinking its terrible. You should watch the documentary called "the cove" about the dolphin slayings they do in china also. so very sad. I do know when they kill dogs for meals that they dislocate their shoulders and tie their legs behind their bakc.. and put tin cans on their mouths so they cannot bite... when someone wants to buy one for a meal they burn the hair off while they are alive as they think the meat tastes better if the animal has adrenaline in its system before it dies. Such a sad state of affairs. I dont care about anyone eating any animal if it is killed and treated HUMANELY before its death. disgusting
Members KateC Posted December 12, 2010 Members Report Posted December 12, 2010 Come on people. They dont even treat their people humanely. I heard a rumor from a reliable source that most of our outsourcing of leathers which yesterday, by the way, was done in Pakistan, is going to change to China....This is going to be interesting. If youve ever done any alterations on leathers made in China, you will find that it is cut to the barest minimum and what you would expect to be a "seam allowance" is simpley rolled, glued and topstitched. Lord help you if you break a seal to change a zipper.....I'd love to know what glue they are using. To its credit...it doesnt just fall apart, like some shoddy stitching does. I have wondered if its gorilla glue?
Members JRedding Posted December 12, 2010 Members Report Posted December 12, 2010 Nice to know our dollars are driving this kind of thing. Isn't this global economy great !!!!
Hilly Posted December 13, 2010 Report Posted December 13, 2010 "Very Disturbing" is too mild of a title for this topic. Just thinking of this really, REALLY wrecked my day. I don't have a problem with humanely killed food or fur animals. I really think I'd pay good money to see more than a few Chinese skinned in this manner, and tossed on that pile of carcasses to rot.
Members HellfireJack Posted December 13, 2010 Members Report Posted December 13, 2010 You don't have to hate Chinese people to abhor and try to stop animal cruelty. I wish people wouldn't wish death on others because their culture treats animals differently. I know you're just speaking to make a strong vivid point( I hope at least) and I know it's viewed by westerners as cruel but being cruel back is no way to solve the issue. Educate and hope that that culture adopts a more humane method. This kind of talk only encourages people like this to act. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ Heck, the Australian's will rip a joey from it's dead mothers pouch and stomp it's head in just so we can have that good strong kangaroo leather we use. Kosher methods of killing animals in the US are pretty rough to watch as well. Chicken farming is pretty abysmal. It happens the world over and violence is not the solution. Make people aware of the problems, educate, and above all be positive towards those who agree and grow the awareness where the problem is in ways that will make people want to change and speak out when anyone advocates violence or harassment as a solution to cultural differences just the same as you would against animal cruelty. Understand I'm not saying don't have an opinion. Feel free to think and feel how you want. I'm just saying when it comes to others, don't try to kill them because of that opinion. We've had enough of that in this world.
Hilly Posted December 13, 2010 Report Posted December 13, 2010 You don't have to hate Chinese people to abhor and try to stop animal cruelty. I wish people wouldn't wish death on others because their culture treats animals differently. I know you're just speaking to make a strong vivid point( I hope at least) and I know it's viewed by westerners as cruel but being cruel back is no way to solve the issue. Educate and hope that that culture adopts a more humane method. This kind of talk only encourages people like this to act. http://www.msnbc.msn...ime_and_courts/ Heck, the Australian's will rip a joey from it's dead mothers pouch and stomp it's head in just so we can have that good strong kangaroo leather we use. Kosher methods of killing animals in the US are pretty rough to watch as well. Chicken farming is pretty abysmal. It happens the world over and violence is not the solution. Make people aware of the problems, educate, and above all be positive towards those who agree and grow the awareness where the problem is in ways that will make people want to change and speak out when anyone advocates violence or harassment as a solution to cultural differences just the same as you would against animal cruelty. Understand I'm not saying don't have an opinion. Feel free to think and feel how you want. I'm just saying when it comes to others, don't try to kill them because of that opinion. We've had enough of that in this world. As if educating those people would make a difference! There is a special place in hell for people like that, and for those that buy animal products from them. Those people know it causes great pain and suffering, yet they do nothing to remedy it. Yes, by all means, I wish them harm. Can't help the way I feel.
Hennessy Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 A coworker showed me part of a video that was shot at a Chinese fur farm. I won't post the link, but it is easily found if you want to check it out. Warning though, the images are very graphic, and very disturbing. I am not against fur, leather, and animal products in general. What I am opposed to is how these animals are being handled at these farms in China. The dogs, and other animals that they video taped were being skinned ALIVE, then tossed aside into piles to eventually die. I cannot imagine anyone who thinks that this is acceptable. To see those animals struggling under the knife, and howling in pain is horrible to see. He mentioned seeing one video with a cow be skinned the same way. Supposedly it is a faster way to get the skinning done, and doesn't bloody the pelt, I call BS. All I am saying is dispatch the animal in a humane manner before skinning. I also wonder how many women realize that the beautiful white fur on their coat, may very well be dog. It was noted that China now provides over 50% of the furs used today, even ones used for assembly in other countries. So knowing exactly where your items originate from can be tricky. I didn't hear stats on the leather like we use. There are some things in life that I could go without seeing, that was one of them. I have thought about what I saw for the last 3 days, and it will be awhile before I can shake those images. Absolutely sickening. us indians served unborn horse [colts]boil'd in the womb liquids,their most honourable meal .they also ate lots of dog,lewis n clark[explorers] relished dog also by the end of their two year adventure.chinese restrauants are [world wide]always getting caught for cooking cats probably dogs too,i cant help but eat there at least once a month [sorry] think of all the meat thrown away at animal shelters,how sad this couldn't be handled humanely. rabbits horses,snakes etc etc all need humane demise treatment you know even li'l squirrels are eaten.the meat and hide should be open to market thru good enforced regulation eh? ,
Members Historybuff Posted January 26, 2011 Members Report Posted January 26, 2011 To be honest, I'm not real concerened with whats happening in other countries. I'm a lot more concerened with what's happening in ours, Gangs, homeless, drugs. I'm afraid that animals arent very high on my priority list and I've spent more than half of my 60 years living outside the contental U.S.. I'm with HENNESSY on this one. I've lived in SE Asia and my family will never go hungry as long as I can 'adopt' a dog. My only concern as far as the chinese leather is concerened is, is it cheaper and what quality is it? It's not what you look at, it's what you see It's not what you have that makes you, it's what you make with what you have.
Hilly Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 I could care less if you want to eat a fetus of some animal. We all eat eggs, which would become a chicken fetus if left in the egg a few days longer. What really bugs me is when an animal isn't dealt with humanely when it comes time to slaughter it. Kosher butchering bugs me. Just sawing through a cows jugular vein while it's looking at you is cruel. I have a friend who worked in a slaughter house. He was the guy that actually dispatched the cattle. He assured me that the animals (almost always) did not suffer. They hit them in the head with the pneumatic stunner, and they feel no pain while they are hung and bled. Once in a great while, a cow would wake up before it was dead, but almost always, they felt nothing. In cases like this, the line was stopped, and he RAN with the stunner, and hit the cow again, as FAST as possible. He worked there for some time, and killed many tens of thousands of cattle in this way. I have no problem with this. I've seen cattle killed on more than one occasion. My husband's side of the family are all dairy farmers with freezers full of home butchered beef. I kill deer with a rifle, but only when I have a perfect shot, and won't pull the trigger otherwise. I've given up tons of opportunities to kill a deer just because I hate the thought of an animal suffering at my hand.
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