Members Aggiebraider Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 Miguel, To say that you have invented braids and knots is quite arrogant if you ask me. Mathematically, there are only so many patterns, knots, and designs that we can accomplish as braiders, and if you are doing it now, it has probably been done by someone else somewhere over the years. Dont act like you are the only one to ever think up this stuff. As far as copying goes, I feel that it is the most sincere form of flattery as far as pattern work goes. I have seen a few bosals on here and other places that I want to do (interweave patterns and all) because I feel that they are really nice and look beautiful. Unless you go through the process to COPYWRITE or PATENT something, shut your mouth. You hold no rights to it. When someone comes to us as a client, rarely do they ever say "I want you to make me something because of that pattern you did right there". They come to us because they feel our braiding technique (including everything that goes with that such as lace preperation, consistency in plaits, etc.) is better than either they could do themselves, or better than other braiders. Brian went above and beyond in posting your work and bringing you to this community and the comments you have provided (even if English isnt your first language) have shown nothing but arrogance and disdain for those of us trying to learn from you and share in your knowledge. CW Quote
Members miguelm Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 under 2, over 2 under 2. for 12 strand round braid, under 2, over 2 under 2 over 2 for 16 strands round braid and under 2 over 2 under 2 over 2 under 2 for 20 strands, under 2 over2 under 2 over 2 under 2 over 2 for 24 strands round braid. under 2, over 2 under 1 for 10 strands round braid, under 2, over 2, under 2 over 2 under 1 for 18 round braid, under 2 over 2 under 2 over 2 under 2 over 2 under 1 for 26............ is the same that 8 box braid. under 2 over 2. Quote
Members roo4u Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 wow lose the ego miguel... no one invents braids or knots...everything there is has been done for centuries and anybody that thinks differently is fooling themselves. I believe more has been forgotten in braiding than is currently known. might be stuff you havent seen but i bet someone somewhere is doing the exact same braids. Quote TRACY MONSTER FARM SPECIALTIES-custom tack for dog, horse and human
Members roo4u Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 oops aggie ya beat me to it. by the way miguel yes we knot the basic o2 u2 sequences and many more.....brian was happy to be learning this technique, when you braid always with a core or tight enough that the finished braid is square it can be difficult to hold tension evenly enough to do this flattened out type braid. i wonder about a person who can be rude to a guy who has been praising your work not only here but on his khww website. i had hoped that perhaps this was a language translation problem but i dont think so. Quote TRACY MONSTER FARM SPECIALTIES-custom tack for dog, horse and human
Members miguelm Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 there is a difference between the artist that could invent, and amoung those who can only copy. I invite you to copy to some of my knot of 24 bight. or my knot not finish of 7 strand you can see in my blog Quote
Members roo4u Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 ok...well you can tell yourself that your inventing things but i sincerely doubt it. i have seen online braiding of some of the greatest braiders in the world, most of them from argentina, and the detail and fine techniques are amazing. your work is good but not of the same quality. take a look at the whip that whipit just posted, or the work of nate wald or armando deferrari. the best part of these peoples talent...they are very nice and willing to share their knowledge with any who want to learn. artistry in braiding is more about perfection and composition than an ego thinking they are doing better than anyone else can. Quote TRACY MONSTER FARM SPECIALTIES-custom tack for dog, horse and human
Members KnotHead Posted January 3, 2011 Author Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 What purpose does it serve to be an arrogant pompous ass with your art work? What kind of point are you trying to make? You say you invented something? Mind telling me what you invented since this same braid can be found in Bruce Grants book, Ron Edwards book and a few Argentine braiding books I have. I'm sure I can find it in other places. You're not the only one that can do this braid Miguel. Here's the proof on that: Here's his link to the site where that photo came from; Leather Braiding By John That photo below may not be you, but it is the same braid. Are you sure you invented this braid? I mean I did find the herringbone coded braid in the above books and also in The Braider, and it is also covered in one of A.G. Schaake's books. The only thing you did to your braid is not put a core inside of the braid. That's it. Nothing more, and nothing less. BTW. You say you have been doing this for what, 10yrs or 13yrs. I have been doing this for 20yrs, knot tying and leather braiding together. So I do have a diversified eye and skill you could only dream of. I really hate to have to tell you this. But you need a study in history that will show you just how long knot tying and leather braiding has been around. I figure this. I know that you have been a student of GH. So I will do my best to leave GH out of this. But you should know that I am a self taught braider. I do have a braiding mentor that I go to for advice. I surely would not pick you because of your arrogance. If you are the type of student that GH School produces, I don't think I want to waste my money, or time. Your attitude toward this art and craft is an abomination to the rest of us braiders who have an undying passion for this art. You say braiding is your job, well I don't really care. I have a real job and only have so many hours a day to practice this fine art of leather braiding. I do my best to share with the other members here and on my website so that they may or might benefit from what I have learned. That is called being a colleague to the rest of the braiding community. The braiding community is much larger than you know Miguel. I know a lot of braiders and knot tiers world wide. Not to mention some of the best of them in Australia. I now leave the floor to anyone else. Sorry for the long winded post folks. Brian... Quote Best Regards, Brian Kidd
Members miguelm Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 Hilario Faudone invented many knot for rawhide. Pablo Lozano invent their own braid and knot. Luis ortega invented his own technique. Luis Alberto Flores also invented own knot of rawhide, Martin Gomez also invented..... These are the best braider. I also invented my own knot adapted to my own technique. Bruce Grant learn of ""Luis Alberto flores""""", Also teach to Nate wald, Leland Hesley and Ron Edwars. Luis Ortega learn of Spanish braider, in California If Nate wald tell you that he has invented to knot...... Quote
Members miguelm Posted January 3, 2011 Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 Brian, you want to dicover one old braid with make belt here in spain. So I find it very funny, maybe becouse young and joker. I read in the khww John said. this braid is very, very easy, you had to have for something more difficult. maybe a Barquero knot, de triple armadura. or a knot " lomo de yacare" Quote
Members KnotHead Posted January 3, 2011 Author Members Report Posted January 3, 2011 Putting that in English might be a bit more understandable. maybe a Barquero knot, de triple armadura. or a knot " lomo de yacare Brian... Quote Best Regards, Brian Kidd
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