esantoro Report post Posted January 14, 2008 I'm sot so happy with this American and Efird thread. I've finally gotten back to stitching, after a bunch of setbacks, related and unrelated to leatherworking. Just now I was stitching with the A&E thread. I was trying to set up a routine with 346/277 and 277/ 207 threads. At first I kept coats 207 in the bobbin and put AE 277 on top and had problems. I realized that the AE threads are thinner than their Coats counterparts, so it was like using 277/277. I then put AE 207 bobbin and AE 277 top, problem solved. I may try the thread exchange, even though they have Eddington in only 207 and 277 and the 346 in USA threads. I'll call them tomorrow. By the way, I'm using chestnut thread and no one seems to have this in Coats, which is why I have to go with a different vendor. ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esantoro Report post Posted January 14, 2008 It seems too soft, too, though it does apparently have a good bond. I may have to return this thread to Ferdco. ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esantoro Report post Posted January 22, 2008 This American & Efird isn't doing it. It's too fuzzy. I got some chestnut in from The Thread Exchange, 207 and 277 supposedly Eddington, and US thread in 346. It's all good quality but different shades of chestnut. I'll post pics later, but would any of you sew with different shades of top and bottom chestnut, or is it not a big deal? By the way, this A&E thread is bonded Anefil Poly, if that suggests any reason for the thread's fuzziness. I've got to call Ferdco tomorrow. Thanks, Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Report post Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Ed, Anefil is their name for twisted multifiliment which is what Coats and Eddington are. If the thread is coming off the spool fuzzy, send it back, otherwise check the thread path or even thread tension, I have seen really heavy tensions pop the outer filiments and cause fuzziness. Minor color differneces can be expected from lot to lot, big variations I wouldn't be too happy with, although how many times do you see the top and the bottom side by side to make the comparison? If you want to check, sew the two threads in line 1/4 inch apart and compare, then try 1/2 inch. Then finish them as usual and see. Art This American & Efird isn't doing it. It's too fuzzy. I got some chestnut in from The Thread Exchange, 207 and 277 supposedly Eddington, and US thread in 346. It's all good quality but different shades of chestnut. I'll post pics later, but would any of you sew with different shades of top and bottom chestnut, or is it not a big deal?By the way, this A&E thread is bonded Anefil Poly, if that suggests any reason for the thread's fuzziness. I've got to call Ferdco tomorrow. Thanks, Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esantoro Report post Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Art, I ran a test and took pics. I'll post later tonight. About the outer filament popping and creating a fuzziness: This is related to a question I had a while back. Is there a certain point that tells you you've got too much top tension and should be backing off there and loosening up the bobbin tension, even though the bobbin tension appears to be as loose as you would want to go, and knots appear to be in the leather and not showing on either the top or bottom? it seems that there is a nagging voice telling me that I should just stick with 207 top and bottom (never had this problem) on two and three layers of 5/6 chrome tan, though there is also a voice telling me 277 top looks nice and is doable. Right now, there are at least nine threads showing on the primary and secondary tensioners. Bobbin tension is, in my opinion, as loose as I'd want to go. Any looser, in my opinion, would allow the bobbin thread to come out of the bobbin spring pincers. This is with a 25 Organ diamond point needle, 277 top, 207 bottom. Again, pics will help, which I'll post tonight. Thanks, Hi Ed,Anefil is their name for twisted multifiliment which is what Coats and Eddington are. If the thread is coming off the spool fuzzy, send it back, otherwise check the thread path or even thread tension, I have seen really heavy tensions pop the outer filiments and cause fuzziness. Minor color differneces can be expected from lot to lot, big variations I wouldn't be too happy with, although how many times do you see the top and the bottom side by side to make the comparison? If you want to check, sew the two threads in line 1/4 inch apart and compare, then try 1/2 inch. Then finish them as usual and see. Art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esantoro Report post Posted January 22, 2008 There sure are some nice people in this industry. I've made the calls. The thread that's not workin' out is going back. I've been looking for an excuse to get into some Eddington. I like the texture of what I got from the Thread exchange, but chestnut colors were off. Not a problem if i could use same thread top and bottom, but I can't. Have to go 207/277. Put in the call to Campbell Bosworth for Deer and chestnut. I'm ready to toll for 2008. Hermes and Ghurka, here I come. ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esantoro Report post Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) There sure are some nice people in this industry. I've made the calls. The thread that's not workin' out is going back. I've been looking for an excuse to get into some Eddington. I like the texture of what I got from the Thread exchange, but chestnut colors were off. Not a problem if i could use same thread top and bottom, but I can't. Have to go 207/277.Put in the call to Campbell Bosworth for Deer and chestnut. I'm ready to roll for 2008. Hermes and Ghurka, here I come. ed Here are the pics. Tension is the same for both threads, Organ 25 tri point, 207/277. Leather is latigo from Siegel's. Larger piece of scrap is the American & Efird thread. first pic on left is of bobbin thread. ed Edited January 23, 2008 by esantoro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
