Moderator Art Posted February 28, 2011 Moderator Report Posted February 28, 2011 I can't help you there as I have never had my hands on one. The 18 is in your price range and I know where it comes from, it is a very good machine. The Highlead machine that is the cylinder arm version of the Class 18 wholesales for more than the 2700 sells for retail. Wonder why that is? Don't get led around by price, buy something good and you will have it forever. Art thanks again art. Today i was in donwtown la getting some service work done to my juki. I was talking to the owner about what machine would compliment my interests. He recommended the consew 206rb1 and the juki lu-563. i asked him about techsew and he said he wouldnt put his money on it??? That he would rather stick to an established brand (adler.pfaff,consew etc)/ which brings me to my next question. Im hoping not to exceed a budget of 1500. the tecsew 2700 seems like a magnificent machine but i keep thinking about the gentlemens comments. any input on techsew? For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members Stocksuspension Posted March 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted March 2, 2011 well today i spoke with cobra steve on the phone. He recommended the class 4, Looks like im going to have to go with out lunch for a while. the budget begins
Members Stocksuspension Posted March 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted March 2, 2011 one more dumb questiion..... where are cobra sewing machines made?
Moderator Art Posted March 2, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 2, 2011 A top quality factory in China, they are pretty good machines, I have a few. Art one more dumb questiion..... where are cobra sewing machines made? For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members Stocksuspension Posted March 23, 2011 Author Members Report Posted March 23, 2011 ive finally saved up enough mula . Will the cobra class 4 be able sew 4-5oz leather with what i believe is a #69 thread? will that be out the machines range? also wich would you choose.... cobra class 4 or cowboy sew 4500?
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 23, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 23, 2011 Both the Cobra and Cowboy stitchers you mentioned will sew 4-5 ounce leather, with #69 bonded nylon thread, if you insert a #18 needle and lower the pressure on the pressor feet. You may have to increase the tension on the bobbin spring and reduce the tension on the top thread, to balance the position of the knots. The quality and construction of both brands is equal in my estimation, so I would see who offered me the best price and accessories package, shipped. Our members who have bought both Cowboy and Cobra machines are very happy with them. Both companies offer personal assistance on the phone, after the sale. Both stock accessories, needles, thread, parts, etc and have very similar pricing structures. Call both dealers and ask them to describe their machines in detail to you. Maybe one of them will offer something the other doesn't, like a servo motor with a bit of free motion before it engages, or stainless steel pressor feet and throat plates that won't stain moist veg-tan leather. Last, but definitely not least, both Bob Kovar and Steve Tayrien are great guys and knowledgeable sewing machine gurus. Your good money will not be wasted if you purchase either of these brands of stitchers. Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Stocksuspension Posted March 23, 2011 Author Members Report Posted March 23, 2011 is the class 4 and cb4500 made by the same manufacturer? is there a website i can read up on the cb4500?
Moderator Art Posted March 23, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 23, 2011 They are not mady by the same manufacturer. Cobras are custom made by a full time sewing machine company. These machines are excellent in manufacture and operation. Steve has a long history in the sewing machine business and is quite knowledgeable and eager to please. I have a few of these machines and they are excellent. Zhiqiang Sewing Machine Company, Ltd. Qing County, Hebei, China Cowboy Sewing Machines are made by a toy manufacturer who does sewing machines from excess capacity, they are what can be called a conglomerate as companies in China go. While not a full time sewing machine company, it is quite commonplace for factories to fill their excess capacity with some other endeavor. They purchased quite a bit of Japanese CNC machinery several years ago and have been putting it to good use, the Cowboy machines are an example. New Century Holding Group Co., Ltd. 618 Gongren Road West, Jiaojiang District, Taizhou, Zhejiang Province China From what I have seen, the Cowboy machines are pretty well made and work quite well, Ryan, Bob, and Bobbie are good folks and quite knowledgeable. Art is the class 4 and cb4500 made by the same manufacturer? is there a website i can read up on the cb4500? For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members Rayban Posted March 23, 2011 Members Report Posted March 23, 2011 Geez...I wonder which brand Art favors ??? Raybanwww.rgleather.net
Moderator Art Posted March 23, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 23, 2011 Hi Ray, Art favors the Cobra machines, only because he knows them well and has a bunch of them. They haven't let me down. I also prefer Campbells for linen work. I also like Highlead machines of which I have three or four. The Cowboy machines seem to be treating everyone fair, and the USA dealers I know are excellent. I used to import sewing machines (and other stuff) and I know where they come from, believe me, that is a complicated business over there. Both of the machines come from good factories, and I wouldn't have a problem buying either one. The Chinese show you whatever face you want to see, and generally tell you what you want to hear. They will stick companies between the customer and them to do this. It is just the way they do business over there. You need to deal with a reputable distributor so you won't get sold a pile of crap, or worse, a machine that won't do the job you need it to do. There are more ways to get burned by doing business in China than there are at a flame thrower convention. Art Geez...I wonder which brand Art favors ??? For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
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