Braidin Cows Report post Posted March 13, 2011 Hello, I was wondering if anyone could direct me where to find or if they had directions for a 4 strand ring knot. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. I appreciate all the effort everyone puts into this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted March 13, 2011 I took some pictures a couple of weeks ago with the plan to do a tutorial. I'll try to get it done soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted March 13, 2011 bg's encyclopedia of braiding...pg 155 i think thats what you are looking for....bg just called them rein knots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted March 13, 2011 Here are the photos for the tutorial, they might help. photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) yes i was correct that is the rein knot from bruce grants books i thought everyone used those under their knots.... Edited March 13, 2011 by roo4u Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KnotHead Report post Posted March 13, 2011 Nice work megabit. Picture 6 is a bit blurry though. B... Here are the photos for the tutorial, they might help. photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braidin Cows Report post Posted March 13, 2011 Thank you, ya'll are amazing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted March 14, 2011 yes i was correct that is the rein knot from bruce grants books i thought everyone used those under their knots.... Just about the same, but this has the strings going all the way through the body of what you are putting the button on vs just under a single string or two. If because of the core it is impracticable to push straight through the body you can put it under 2 or 3 strings to get them coming out at 90deg angles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted March 14, 2011 well i mostly use the 2 strand knot and i always put it thru the middle of the braid so that it cant shift at all. the 4 strand version can be a bit difficult to get thru the middle if you have a fairly solid core... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted March 14, 2011 well i mostly use the 2 strand knot and i always put it thru the middle of the braid so that it cant shift at all. the 4 strand version can be a bit difficult to get thru the middle if you have a fairly solid core... Cool so we are completely talking about the same knot. Grants book just show putting under a string or so. I put two strands threw the core and that gives me four working ends or four strands. Which sounds like what you do too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted March 14, 2011 yes...exactly! i found that when i tried to just put the strands under instead of thru i couldnt get it nice and even and when i was a rookie it was easier to follow my steps if everything was even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaquero1 Report post Posted April 8, 2011 Thanks megabit for uploading- great foundation for my nosebutton knots... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggiebraider Report post Posted January 2, 2012 Ok, so I have tried this knot so many times it makes me sick that I cant get it to work. I understand the concept completely, but when I try to tie this with something other than nylon, you have a grain side you have to worry about. I have a set of reins started that are 12 strand, and cant figure this knot out. If you follow Grants book, I dont understand first off how he runs the strands through the braid because you will (for the 4 strand knot) have 2 that run to the left and 2 that run to the right, making crowning impossible. He also does nothing with the working ends in the actual knot, so if you grab a hold of the knot and twist it, the buried ends will just come out and the knot will be loose. With a leather core in these reins, I cant exactly push the strands completely through the core and even if I did, I would still have half the strands' grain facing the wrong direction. I want to put ring knots between pineapple knots on these, and maybe use ring knots for the foundations of the pks, so they need to be SECURE. Sorry if this is confusing, I cant get it wrapped the right way in my head to begin with lol. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. CW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
braiding4fun Report post Posted January 2, 2012 So I get that this is a way to get a two tone knot, but is there any other reason to use more than one strand? And those pics are great megabit, but I'm still wondering what you do to hide the ends when you're done? It seems like a lot of ends left over to hide for such a small knot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KnotHead Report post Posted January 2, 2012 This particular knot is used for a foundation knot and then is covered by another knot that would be the final knot. B... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
braiding4fun Report post Posted January 2, 2012 Ah... I see. Well, that should make a solid foundation all right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted January 3, 2012 the reason for the 4 ends on this knot is to get even coverage of a larger area...i have used the 2 strand for years on my dog leashes....it will only work for a certain circumference and so you use the 4 strand for a larger circumference. as bg is only using this as a foundation he does not concern himself with grain/flesh side. What i usually do is twist the strand as i bring it out from under or out thru the braid i am putting the knot on. when braiding with rawhide you simply pull it tight and it is good to go...however when using it as a decorative knot with kangaroo I always use a tiny bit of elmers glueall...which is a casein glue and bonds with the fibers of leather. put just a tiny bit on the flesh side of the last strand before you pull it tight...the area of the glue should be buried in the knot after it is pulled tight. this will keep the knot from coming loose. My leashes last for years with this method of finishing the knot...even when the leash stretches from use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megabit Report post Posted January 3, 2012 Knothead hit it right on the head. I mostly use this as a foundation that won't slide up or down. If you are careful you can get it all grain side out, you might need to put a half twist in when you start. If you are going to use it on the outside instead of as a foundation, I generally push the ends out the top of the knot instead of the middle. Under 4 instead of two and cut them off close. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
