Anybody Know This Machine?

[sandyt]

Hello there people,

I am Sandy from Holland. This is my first post after reading these forums for a while. I am about to buy a machine to put in my 'collection'. I already have a pfaff 145, pfaff 1245, rafflenbeul ms200, junker & ruh sd28 and some old manual skiving/cutting machines (Rodi and Landis). All for 'daily use' as a hobby.

The machine I am about to buy can be seen with this link : http://hobby.marktpl...-evt-tafel.html

The seller says it's a Adler 104 but I don't think its a 104. Single feed. I would like to sew thick thread with it. In dutch we call it zwaar draad (heavy thread). 11/3. I don't know how to call it in Englisch? Sorry. It's not as thick as for sole stitching. 20/6.

It has to sew up to 8 mm of thick leather.

So does anybody know what type this machine is, so I can google myself?

At this point I am sewing this thick thread with my Pfaff 145. I slowed down the speed with a frequency converter so it goes realy realy slow, otherwise the upperthread will not be picked up at the loop where it should and the machine will jam. I know this machine is not build to do this so I am afraid to break the machine. That's why I am looking for a machine that can handle this type of sewing.

Thanks in advance.

Greetings from Holland.

[CowboyBob]

It looks more like a singer 45K to me than an Adler.Yes,it should sew 8mm & use a heavy thread,much heavier then your 145.

Bob

I don't know if you know it but the foot lifting bar for the pressure foot is missing on the back so you'll only have the hand lifter to raise the foot unless you but or have someone make the part you need.

Bovb

[sandyt]

Thank you so much!! Now I am sure it isn't a Adler. It has to be a singer 45K.

Now I am not sure if I should buy the machine. He is asking 100 euro's for it. Head only. No table and motor and no bobbins with only 1 needle.

Thanks for notifying the missing foot lifting bar. I didn't know. I do not realy need it but if I want to sell it again in the future I'm sure if I can get my money back. I am constantly changing machines. If I see a nicer/better machine I will buy it and sell my 'old one'.

Now I have something to think about. Hope I can get to sleep tonight.

Sandy.

[CowboyBob]

That's a pretty cheap price,I'd pay that for it as long as nothing else is missing,is the shuttle in it?Bobbns & needles shouldn't be to hard to get.

Bob

[sandyt]

Hi Sewmun,

Thanks for your time.

Yes, the shuttle is in it. If it was an Adler I would buy the machine right away. But it's a Singer. I don't know how you look at the machine in Your country, but singer isn't very popular overhere. Adler is. Pfaff also. Parts for those machines are easier to come by. That's why I am not sure wether to buy or not. I asked the seller to give me a few days to think about it. He agreed.

I have googeled the machine but can not find specifications? Does it have reverse? I don't think so.

Do you happen to know whats the maximun thicknes of leather that can be sewn with this machine?

Sandy.

[CowboyBob]

How much do Adlers sell for in Holland?It should sew 10-12 mm easy.No reverse,it takes the same needles,bobbins & shuttle as an Adler.Years ago we used to get parts in England for them.

Bob

[sandyt]

Adlers like the pfaff 145 (normal flatbed triple feed for upholstering and such) go around for 350-600 euro's. Heavy duty machines 800-1500 euro's. The prices I am talking about are the prices you can get them from auctionsites. If you go to the professional for a secondhand you pay almost double I think.

Sometimes you are lucky ofcoarse. Got my pfaff 145 for 200 for instance. The 1245 was 300 with efka variostop and all.

I wouldn't sew 12 mm that often but maybe I will need to some day. I think I am going for the machine. I have never had a 'heavy duty' machine like that. I am very curious. I like old quality stuff. I have a few older Hobart (American brand) planetary mixing machines too. Like to play with them.

Sandy.

[Trox]

Hi Sandy,

Sewmun might be right it is maybe a Singer 45K, but it is more likely the ancestor of the Adler 104, an Adler class 4 with drop feed. The Adler class 4 (flatbed) and class 5 (Cylinder arm) looks exactly like the Singer class 45 K. That is because Singer have copied the Adler model (and many other models to) Some of the 45K came in this blue gray color, but this machine is most likely painted. It has no decals or subclass number plate on the front.

As you said, the Adler is a much more common and popular machine main land Europe. To be sure, you must look at the stamping on the parts, and the main part number on the back of the machine. The Singer parts have simanco stamp on them. Many parts are also interchangeable like the shuttle. However, the 45K has a closed frame shuttle and the Adler an open frame one.

Because this machine is for sale in the Netherlands, I think it is an Adler.

Singer is not alone copying popular sewing machine models, but here I find a strange model from Singer, The 45A 92 http://parts.singerco.com/IPpartCharts/45A92.pdf It is a copy of the Adler 204 -64. In addition, Singer 45A 93 http://parts.singerco.com/IPpartCharts/45A93.pdf who is a copy of the Adler 205-64. If you look at the part lists and compare them with the Adler part list, you will see it has Adler part numbers. It is photocopies of the Adler part list. I wonder if Sewmun or anybody else has seen any of this Singer models in the US before.

Trox

(Adler fan)

Adlers like the pfaff 145 (normal flatbed triple feed for upholstering and such) go around for 350-600 euro's. Heavy duty machines 800-1500 euro's. The prices I am talking about are the prices you can get them from auctionsites. If you go to the professional for a secondhand you pay almost double I think.

Sometimes you are lucky ofcoarse. Got my pfaff 145 for 200 for instance. The 1245 was 300 with efka variostop and all.

I wouldn't sew 12 mm that often but maybe I will need to some day. I think I am going for the machine. I have never had a 'heavy duty' machine like that. I am very curious. I like old quality stuff. I have a few older Hobart (American brand) planetary mixing machines too. Like to play with them.

Sandy.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

Hi Sandy,

Ask the seller for the serial number which is on the bed of the machine. I have a sneaking suspicion it is a 42 series.

Adlers like the pfaff 145 (normal flatbed triple feed for upholstering and such) go around for 350-600 euro's. Heavy duty machines 800-1500 euro's. The prices I am talking about are the prices you can get them from auctionsites. If you go to the professional for a secondhand you pay almost double I think.

Sometimes you are lucky ofcoarse. Got my pfaff 145 for 200 for instance. The 1245 was 300 with efka variostop and all.

I wouldn't sew 12 mm that often but maybe I will need to some day. I think I am going for the machine. I have never had a 'heavy duty' machine like that. I am very curious. I like old quality stuff. I have a few older Hobart (American brand) planetary mixing machines too. Like to play with them.

Sandy.

[CowboyBob]

I looked @ the pic again & am thinking Trox could be correct,the lube pot looks like Adler,but I didn't know the old Adlers used the spoked wheel.We don't have many of these old Adlers here in the states.The stitch length & bobbin winder looks like Singer,but the top tension doesn't look like Singer.

SO be sure to let us know some serial & or part # off the machine if you go to look @ it or even ask him & it might help to identfy it's brand.

It sure looks like it's been repainted because the legs & underneath look black.

Bob