Anybody Know This Machine?

[Trox]

The Adler class 4 came in more than 26 subclasses and at the end of production in the color blue grey. However, the Adler color is greyer; this is not the right color. I have a class 5 machine, a original part list for class 5, a manual for the class 4 and 5. The machine comes with all kinds of hand wheel. It came with two different bobbin winders to, manual and automatic. The one on the picture is the manual one. In the picture, you will se two different stitch regulators and two different hand wheel. Some of the subclasses look just the same as the 45K, so you must look at the parts stamping. There is no reference for Adler serial number that I know of, but Singer has a reference on their web site. Take a closer look and tell us what you see.

I looked @ the pic again & am thinking Trox could be correct,the lube pot looks like Adler,but I didn't know the old Adlers used the spoked wheel.We don't have many of these old Adlers here in the states.The stitch length & bobbin winder looks like Singer,but the top tension doesn't look like Singer.

SO be sure to let us know some serial & or part # off the machine if you go to look @ it or even ask him & it might help to identfy it's brand.

It sure looks like it's been repainted because the legs & underneath look black.

Bob

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[Trox]

Here is a class 5-27 with the spoked hand wheel and a jump foot

. This have the other kind of stitch regulator.

Trox

The Adler class 4 came in more than 26 subclasses and at the end of production in the color blue grey. However, the Adler color is greyer; this is not the right color. I have a class 5 machine, a original part list for class 5, a manual for the class 4 and 5. The machine comes with all kinds of hand wheel. It came with two different bobbin winders to, manual and automatic. The one on the picture is the manual one. In the picture, you will se two different stitch regulators and two different hand wheel. Some of the subclasses look just the same as the 45K, so you must look at the parts stamping. There is no reference for Adler serial number that I know of, but Singer has a reference on their web site. Take a closer look and tell us what you see.

[sandyt]

You peaple are very very helpfull. Yesterday I picked up the machine. I couldn't wait to play with it. I still don't know for sure wether it is a Singer or an Adler. Still curious but I am nevertheless very happy with it. I made a spool myself from 3 spools from my pfaff 1245. Had to size them dowm a little but it works great for now. It stitches flawlessly. This machine rises (don't know if this is correct Englisch) my expectations.

The only number I could find on the machine is 3375 witch is stamped on the base of the machine. The spool is burnt (??? looks like the letters are burnt in there with a laser???) with the symbol KAW. Any other parts do not have any identification numbers or whatever. No Simanco anywhere. Originaly the machine was black for sure. It is painted green/bleu.

Luckily the seller had some more needles with it. He couldn't tell me more about the machine. He bought a bunch of industrial sewingmachines to keep 2 for himself and sell the rest.

Very happy Sandy who slept very little last night.

[CowboyBob]

Hello Sandy,

I'm glad it worked out for you & thanks for letting us know.

Bob

[Trox]

Hi Sandy!

Post a picture of the shuttle and I will idenify the machine for you. ( if the shuttle is a original) I can give you the name of a English company where you can buy bobbins.

Singer or Adler, both are built to last a millennium anyway.

Trox

You peaple are very very helpfull. Yesterday I picked up the machine. I couldn't wait to play with it. I still don't know for sure wether it is a Singer or an Adler. Still curious but I am nevertheless very happy with it. I made a spool myself from 3 spools from my pfaff 1245. Had to size them dowm a little but it works great for now. It stitches flawlessly. This machine rises (don't know if this is correct Englisch) my expectations.

The only number I could find on the machine is 3375 witch is stamped on the base of the machine. The spool is burnt (??? looks like the letters are burnt in there with a laser???) with the symbol KAW. Any other parts do not have any identification numbers or whatever. No Simanco anywhere. Originaly the machine was black for sure. It is painted green/bleu.

Luckily the seller had some more needles with it. He couldn't tell me more about the machine. He bought a bunch of industrial sewingmachines to keep 2 for himself and sell the rest.

Very happy Sandy who slept very little last night.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

For 100euros this is a very good buy.

My feeling is that it is whatever Singer copied to make the 42-5 unless it is a copy of the Singer 42-5.

[sandyt]

As soon as I know how to upload a picture, I will do it. I am 34 and I never uploaded a picture to the net in my life. Can you imagine?!? I will try to do it this week cause I'm still curious what machine i bought. Made a wooden base for it today because I am just hand cranking it. This way I can save space in my little house. Already way to many machines. Wish sewingmachines weren't that much fun to play with.

I think I already found a dutch webshop wich sells Bobins ( called them spool earlier!!!) for the adler 104. Those will fit right??

Groetjes,

Sandy.

[sandyt]

Now I played with it, I think its a very good buy indeed. Not familiar with these aged machines so at first I thought its a piece of junk, but they are realy realy realy cool pieces of junk:notworthy: !

Now I can't stop searching for more sewingmachines like this on the same site. Maybe I can loose a cabinet to place a sewingmachine instead, haha.....

[Trox]

Hi Darren,

I do not know if, or what Singer copied to make the 42-5. But the 42-5 looks different. It has a rounded needle plate an alternating

pressers. I have only seen the 42-5 in a picture, but it is different in many other ways to. The lube pot, and so on. I am sure you know your Singers , But this machine is a Adler 4 or a 45K. I will bet 5 Eur it is a Adler class 4.

Trox:no:

For 100euros this is a very good buy.

My feeling is that it is whatever Singer copied to make the 42-5 unless it is a copy of the Singer 42-5.

[Trox]

Hi Sandy.

I know the houses are small in Holland; I have been living 5 years in Antwerp. I worked as a truck driver in my younger days and I used to drive much on Holland. I have seen Amsterdam’s smallest house, I hope you do not live there. We got more space here in Norway, but I am still able to fill up my house to.

The Old machines are no junk, although I have newer machines I still use my Old Adler 5 every day. It never misses a stitch; it is of much better quality than today’s machines.

According to my information the only bobbins from Adler 104 that fits Adler 4 (and 45K) is the A. 104-2. (I am not 100% sure about this; it is hard to get information). You must ask for the 104 small shuttle bobbins. Otherwise, The Dürkopp Adler part number for the bobbins is 005002420 (original old Adler 4 and 5 part number is 05242)

I am buying a new Japanese Hirose shuttle for my old 5 from an English firm. If you change much from thin to thick thread it is best to have two shuttles, otherwise it is easy to destroy the bobbin tension. (The machine is obsolete and parts are very hard to find, you most buy a complete shuttle from similar product)

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/default.aspx GBP 9, 80 for 4 bobbins. If you need a manual please give me your e-mail (for your security in this format; "your name att domain dot com") or send it in a PM.

Here is an Adler 4-4 with a cabinet for small workshops.

Trox

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