Adler 5-37 Only Bottom Feed? (Ser.nr. 30265)

[sandyt]

Hi Trox,

The grovve has a flat bottom. See the pic.

I know what you mean with that twisting of the v-belt. I had the same problem with that adler 4 flatbed I bought. But it only happended a few times in the beginning. Now it doen't occur anymore?? Don't know why. It needs a lot of tension alright.

Don't know if you already know this, but that Frobana outsole stitcher takes the same bobins as the adler's I have. Shuttle looks almost the same too. It looks like the Frobana shuttle is grinded down a little. I will give it a try once to fit the frobana shuttle in the Adler. Just for curiosity.

What is the general use for those BIG Adler 20's? They are huge! I guess you could call them 'semi' long arm.

I am not a chef. Only have 1 son. BIG one though!!!! Eats definitly for 2. But I don't make large quantities with those kitchenmachines. Those machines are just another hobby, just like those sewing machines. For instance, I have a hydraulic sausage stuffer wich can take 20 kilo's of meat. But I never put more than 4 kilo's in it., haha.

Sandy.

[Trox]

Hi Sandy,

Thanks for the pic, what is the measurement of the groove? You cannot machine too much of the hand wheel, it is not that thick. I do not want to weaken it, I want to make a small groove, but the groove for the speed reducer is for a 9 mm belt. It has to be the same as that. A other solution is to buy a new pulley

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=26086&st=0&p=164598&hl=+tractor%20+supply%20+pulley&fromsearch=1entry164598

Or buy a Cowboy mega flywheel http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb-acc-pack.html and make it fit the class 5.

I do not want to use a tractor pulley and damage my exiting hand wheel, But use a 205 /204 wheel or a mega wheel would be the best thing. The mega wheel have larger diameter and will add torque in addition to having the right groove.

So you bought the Frobana machine to, Is It good for something else than shoes? I did not know it had the same shuttle, I know nothing about that machine. But I guess it because that Adler 5 / Sing. 45K shuttle was the industry standard in that time. Just as the big shuttle used in Adler 205 and Juki 441 is now.

About the Adler class 20, who is the same as Singer class 7 was used for the biggest jobs in canvas. Tents , awnings and parachutes. Big industrial buffing wheels etc. This one has a small hub, the bigger ones have 40 mm lift. Some of the 7 class had alternating pressers like the 7-33, and was used by saddlers for harness work. Some was modified as Sewmun (Toledo Bob) told us. http://www.duerkopp-adler.com/export/sites/duerkoppadler/commons/download/download-text-attachments/hist_kl.pdf and http://www.industrialsewmachine.com/webdoc1/used/used-brochures/7class.htm

By the way, I did a Google search on Toledo Bob to find his web site. Just for fun, I wrote “Toledo Bob” instead of Toledo industrial sewing machine. And I found “Toledo Bob and the rusty Zipper blues band“, maybe Wizcraft and Sewmun have started an industrial blues band, Ha Ha. I know that Wizcraft has played in a Blues band and he always refer to Bob Kowar as “Toledo Bob”

Trox

Hi Trox,

The grovve has a flat bottom. See the pic.

I know what you mean with that twisting of the v-belt. I had the same problem with that adler 4 flatbed I bought. But it only happended a few times in the beginning. Now it doen't occur anymore?? Don't know why. It needs a lot of tension alright.

Don't know if you already know this, but that Frobana outsole stitcher takes the same bobins as the adler's I have. Shuttle looks almost the same too. It looks like the Frobana shuttle is grinded down a little. I will give it a try once to fit the frobana shuttle in the Adler. Just for curiosity.

What is the general use for those BIG Adler 20's? They are huge! I guess you could call them 'semi' long arm.

I am not a chef. Only have 1 son. BIG one though!!!! Eats definitly for 2. But I don't make large quantities with those kitchenmachines. Those machines are just another hobby, just like those sewing machines. For instance, I have a hydraulic sausage stuffer wich can take 20 kilo's of meat. But I never put more than 4 kilo's in it., haha.

Sandy.

[sandyt]

The groove is 10mm wide. The depth is 7mm. The wheel still looks strong enough. I only now realize that the grooves on that Adler 4 ftatbed are for round belts and all the grooves on the Adler 5 are all for v-belts.

All of my upholstery machines have those very big pulley's. I buy them at ATD. They are fixed with the taperlock system. Works very easy. No need for drilling or whatever. costs about 50 euro's. Without the matching v-belt.

I only bought that Frobana because I like that machines mechanism and it was pretty cheap wil new thread. I payed 50 euro's. The thread alone is 22 euro's overhere without shipping costs. You could use those machines for dress belts and pouches and stuff. Just as a lot of people use the the junkers and pederson's for. Only these needles are cheaper and easier to come by overhere.

An Adler 20 with 40mm lift sounds great. Don't realy need it but I would sure like to play with one sometime!

Maybe the band hired Toledo Bob to replace the rusty zipper!!

Sandy.

Hi Sandy,

Thanks for the pic, what is the measurement of the groove? You cannot machine too much of the hand wheel, it is not that thick. I do not want to weaken it, I want to make a small groove, but the groove for the speed reducer is for a 9 mm belt. It has to be the same as that. A other solution is to buy a new pulley

Or buy a Cowboy mega flywheel and make it fit the class 5.

I do not want to use a tractor pulley and damage my exiting hand wheel, But use a 205 /204 wheel or a mega wheel would be the best thing. The mega wheel have larger diameter and will add torque in addition to having the right groove.

So you bought the Frobana machine to, Is It good for something else than shoes? I did not know it had the same shuttle, I know nothing about that machine. But I guess it because that Adler 5 / Sing. 45K shuttle was the industry standard in that time. Just as the big shuttle used in Adler 205 and Juki 441 is now.

About the Adler class 20, who is the same as Singer class 7 was used for the biggest jobs in canvas. Tents , awnings and parachutes. Big industrial buffing wheels etc. This one has a small hub, the bigger ones have 40 mm lift. Some of the 7 class had alternating pressers like the 7-33, and was used by saddlers for harness work. Some was modified as Sewmun (Toledo Bob) told us. and

By the way, I did a Google search on Toledo Bob to find his web site. Just for fun, I wrote "Toledo Bob" instead of Toledo industrial sewing machine. And I found "Toledo Bob and the rusty Zipper blues band", maybe Wizcraft and Sewmun have started an industrial blues band, Ha Ha. I know that Wizcraft has played in a Blues band and he always refer to Bob Kowar as "Toledo Bob"

Trox

[Wizcrafts]

I don't play in a Blues Band. I play in Country/Western bands.

[Trox]

Ha ha, sorry Wiz for bad jokes. Thanks Sandy, could you please post a pic of those ATD pulleys?

Or send me a PM. What diameter is those, is it something I could use on my class 5, would they fit?

Thanks

Trox

[Trox]

But it is the same type of hand wheel on both your class 4 and 5? The 5 wheel has been modified in all the grooves. If this is the case, I only have to look for someone with a big lathe that will do the job.

Thanks

Trox

The groove is 10mm wide. The depth is 7mm. The wheel still looks strong enough. I only now realize that the grooves on that Adler 4 ftatbed are for round belts and all the grooves on the Adler 5 are all for v-belts.

All of my upholstery machines have those very big pulley's. I buy them at ATD. They are fixed with the taperlock system. Works very easy. No need for drilling or whatever. costs about 50 euro's. Without the matching v-belt.

I only bought that Frobana because I like that machines mechanism and it was pretty cheap wil new thread. I payed 50 euro's. The thread alone is 22 euro's overhere without shipping costs. You could use those machines for dress belts and pouches and stuff. Just as a lot of people use the the junkers and pederson's for. Only these needles are cheaper and easier to come by overhere.

An Adler 20 with 40mm lift sounds great. Don't realy need it but I would sure like to play with one sometime!

Maybe the band hired Toledo Bob to replace the rusty zipper!!

Sandy.

[sandyt]

Yes it is exaclty the same handwheel. You Could easily modify your's I guess.

I use these pulley's. You can buy those in any size.

The little round thing in the middle (taperlock system) is matched to fit the axis and the pulley. If I would want to fix the pulley on a different machine I only have to buy a matching taperlock. It's a loose component of the pulley.

Sandy.

But it is the same type of hand wheel on both your class 4 and 5? The 5 wheel has been modified in all the grooves. If this is the case, I only have to look for someone with a big lathe that will do the job.

Thanks

Trox

Edited September 8, 2011 by sandyt

[Trox]

Hi Sandy!

This is great, exactly what I am looking for! What`s the diameter on those wheels? If I call the company do you think they would ship me one of those wheels for my class 5?

Thanks

Trox

Yes it is exaclty the same handwheel. You Could easily modify your's I guess.

I use these pulley's. You can buy those in any size.

The little round thing in the middle (taperlock system) is matched to fit the axis and the pulley. If I would want to fix the pulley on a different machine I only have to buy a matching taperlock. It's a loose component of the pulley.

Sandy.

[sandyt]

Next week I go there myself. Need some stuff for my pfaff 335. I will ask for you. I need the type of v-belt you are using. What are the exact sizes, width and depth/height. Is your axis 15mm? What size of pulley are you looking for?

Sandy.

Hi Sandy!

This is great, exactly what I am looking for! What`s the diameter on those wheels? If I call the company do you think they would ship me one of those wheels for my class 5?

Thanks

Trox

[Trox]

Thanks a lot Sandy, I could not take the wheel of; I need a take-off tool. I will do that later. However, I was able to take a measurement on the tip of the shaft; 14, 7 mm diameter. But it is maybe 15 mm, it was difficult to measure. The original wheel depth is 62 mm; the shaft length is 63 mm. An ideal wheel would be; 250 mm width and have depth of 37 mm from the center of the groove. A total depth of 62 mm (but that is not necessary, it do not have to cover all of the shaft length. Only have the belt groove on the right place). If it is possible, the belt groove should be the same size as the reducer one or approx the same. It is 9, 5 mm on the top of the V and 4 in the bottom, 10 mm deep. But those pulleys come with standard belt sizes, and my reducer is a “Chinese standard” I do not want you to have any trouble for me, but if you just, can ask for a price. And if they ship it to Norway, I will be very grateful. If I have the approx price, I will compare it to the price of modifying the original one. In advance Thanks

Trox

Next week I go there myself. Need some stuff for my pfaff 335. I will ask for you. I need the type of v-belt you are using. What are the exact sizes, width and depth/height. Is your axis 15mm? What size of pulley are you looking for?

Sandy.