BBAYS Report post Posted November 25, 2011 Can anybody tell me the difference between the PPK and the PPK/S. Are they the same frame. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjcinin317 Report post Posted November 25, 2011 The only difference is that the PPK/S is made of stainless. No differnce in shape or size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewsky Report post Posted November 25, 2011 The only difference is that the PPK/S is made of stainless. No differnce in shape or size. The first reply is wrong. It has nothing to do with the material or the finish. The PPK/S has a longer frame at the grip so they could be imported after the Gun Control Act of 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjcinin317 Report post Posted November 25, 2011 The first reply is wrong. It has nothing to do with the material or the finish. The PPK/S has a longer frame at the grip so they could be imported after the Gun Control Act of 1968. Sorry bout that. Was going on what I was told. CJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malabar Report post Posted November 26, 2011 There are several guns in the series. The first was called the PP, for Polizeipistole, The second was a compact version called the PPK, or Polizeipistole Kriminel. As Andrewsky said, the PPK/S was a special model for export to the US. And there were other models in the series, including the PPK/E, the PPK/L, TPH and the PP Super. tk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lobo Report post Posted November 26, 2011 Walther PP (Police Pistol), circa 1936 or so. PPK (Police Pistol Short), circa 1959 or so, featuring shortened barrel/slide group and shortened grip-frame. PPK/s, circa 1969, a response to the US Gun Control Act of 1968, featuring the PPK barrel/slide group on the original PP-sized grip-frame. Ian Fleming's novels and the related "James Bond" movies of the 1960's made the PPK very popular in the US. GCA-68 precluded further imports due to the short grip-frame of the PPK "scoring" too low on the "sporting purposes" scale, so Walther created the PPK/s to meet both market demand and US import requirements. The TPH .22LR was an interesting variation (although a bit different overall design). My personal favorite is an early 1960's Manhurrin PP model in .22LR manufactured in France under license from Walther during the Cold War years. Other variations include East German copies (1950's to 1960's, very collectable), the Hungarian clones (military production as well as imports under the FEG tradename), the Korean Daiwoo (close copies), and of course the over-engineered Soviet Makarov pistols (and variations produced in Bulgaria, Poland, Red China, and East Germany). One of the most copied handgun designs ever (imitation being the most sincere form of flattery, or something like that). Lots of history. Lots of variations on the original Walther theme. Relatively little interchangeability in holsters. Lots of handguns in the hands of American shooters, so lots of opportunities for holster-makers. Shooters should take note that the PP and similar designs will NOT permit the high grip we may have become accustomed to (shooting 1911's and other US designs). These pistols will take the skin off the web of your hand as the slide cycles during normal operation unless you learn to grip them properly to avoid this painful lesson. Bloody hands could be a nuisance for "007" while taking out a few assorted SMERSH assassins when it is time for a vodka martini (shaken, not stirred), a few hands of baccarat, perhaps a romantic interlude with a world-class babe. One should avoid being messy when possible to do so (I think Mr. Fleming would agree). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malabar Report post Posted November 26, 2011 Shooters should take note that the PP and similar designs will NOT permit the high grip we may have become accustomed to (shooting 1911's and other US designs). These pistols will take the skin off the web of your hand as the slide cycles during normal operation unless you learn to grip them properly to avoid this painful lesson. Bloody hands could be a nuisance for "007" while taking out a few assorted SMERSH assassins when it is time for a vodka martini (shaken, not stirred), a few hands of baccarat, perhaps a romantic interlude with a world-class babe. One should avoid being messy when possible to do so (I think Mr. Fleming would agree). Good point. One of the students in our last Personal Protection Outside the Home class used a PPK. Big hands, little gun. It was messy, to say the least. tk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sixer Report post Posted November 28, 2011 So how does this relate to holster fit? Are the PPK and PPK/S similar enough for holster making purposes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
