steadybrook Report post Posted April 12, 2012 What is a better patcher a Singer or Adler? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Unless you are comparing the big Adler 30-70 to the Singer 29k172, they are very similar in capabilities. The Adler 30-7 clears a little more thickness than the Singer 29Ks. Aside from that, they use the same bobbins and needles and deliver about the same maximum stitch length of no more than 5/inch, into 8 ounces of leather. The Adler 30-70 is a a whole nuther machine. It sews 3/8 inch, delivering a solid 5 stitches per inch, or longer, and uses system 332LG long needles. I sew on one every week at M&M Leather. It uses a 1/2 HP clutch motor. Edited April 12, 2012 by Wizcrafts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadybrook Report post Posted April 13, 2012 Thanks, Do you have a picture of the 30-70 ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 13, 2012 Thanks, Do you have a picture of the 30-70 ? I don't own the machine in question. But, I found a good photo of an Adler 30-70 on this blog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadybrook Report post Posted April 13, 2012 Thanks Again, Is the 30-70 marked on the machine somewhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks Again, Is the 30-70 marked on the machine somewhere? Yes, it is engraved into a metal plate on the head, on the right side of the body. There is nothing else like the 30-70. If it says Adler on top and looks like the machine in the photo, it is a 30-70. Most of the Adler 30-70 machines are motorized with 1/2 hp clutch motors. These motors have adjustable freewheeling room when you slightly depress the floor pedal. Without this free play, you cannot hand wheel the machine at all. I would not use a patcher than can't be hand wheeled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadybrook Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks, I am going to an auction and they have a Alder patcher, but I am not sure if it is this model,I have a singer 29k172, it has a 3/8" clearence, Is this 29k172 the same as the Adler 30-70 and are these the biggest patchers available? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks, I am going to an auction and they have a Alder patcher, but I am not sure if it is this model,I have a singer 29k172, it has a 3/8" clearence, Is this 29k172 the same as the Adler 30-70 and are these the biggest patchers available? If your 29k172 is a like Chevy 1500 truck is to a sedan, the Adler 30-70 is a like a 2500 model. Everything is beefed up. I have a Singer 29k172 and it is not the machine that my buddy's 30-70 is. The 30-70 has longer needles and sews thicker leather. It pulls a tighter stitch. It actually sews 3/8 inch, where our machine only clears about that much. The foot needs to lift off the top of the leather and move all the way forward and backward to get effective stitch length. The Singer 29k172 is more similar to an Adler 30-7. This is usually a treadle machine on a cast iron base and is not typically motorized. It sews about the same thickness as the 172. Other than that, they use the same bobbins and the presser feet are similar. I can use Singer patcher feet on the Adler 30-70 by enlarging the hole for the mounting screw. There is a little slop to deal with, because the Singer feet seem to have a wider inside mounting space than the Adler. Singer patchers use system 29x3 and 29x4 needles. Adlers use system 332 in the 30-7 and 332LG in the 30-70. If you see the machine at the auction and it resembles your Singer patcher, but is black, it is probably a 30-7. If it looks like the one in the photo I linked to and is gray, it is a 30-70. The 30-70 has a solid flywheel; no spokes. It weighs a gazillion pounds. The 30-70 uses a large bobbin and bobbin case. If the machine at the auction is a 30-70, complete on a power stand and turns easily by hand, and you win it for under $1800, pat yourself on the back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 14, 2012 I was wondering why you keep asking if the 30-70 looks like a Singer 29k172, after I posted a reply with a link to view the Adler on a blog. Did you see this text link: "But, I found a good photo of an Adler 30-70 on this blog " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadybrook Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks, That clears things up. the auction viewing is at the end of next week.The singer 29k72 works well but when I go to repair riding boots they are always thick down by the heel and that is where I need the extra thickness on the machine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Ok, just thought I'd jump in here & let you know Adler made a 30-1,-5&-7 & the newer square casting 30-10,-50 & 70 The 30-1 & 30-10 are long arm small bobbin,the 30-5 & 50 has a large bobbin & the 30-7 & 70 has the high lift that will sew almost 3/8" of leather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadybrook Report post Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks Bob. I have to order some bobbins for the old adler I bought the needles for.I will send you the details next week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anne Bonnys Locker Report post Posted April 17, 2012 I have never seen an Adler 30-70 here in Australia but I want one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MG513 Report post Posted September 15, 2015 Another great read as I wait to here back from a seller on an Adler patcher!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
