Sewing Machine For Golf Bag

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

Cowboy make a version of the 36" OS that Wiz linked you to but two grand won't go far.

There was a 36" arm machine sitting in Lefflers in Melbourne that belonged to a customer. He wanted over 3k for it.

[Trox]

Cowboy makes a verson of the Juki 461 feed up the arm. Compound feed lock stitch machine with 37 inches arm that uses the Adler 204 shuttle, same as the Juki does. The machine is called CB 7461-37 http://www.cowboysew.com/product5.htm

Wiz was talking about chain stitch machines. This machine is also very expensive, you can contackt Cowboysew direct true their website for buying machines in Asia.

Trox

Cowboy make a version of the 36" OS that Wiz linked you to but two grand won't go far.

There was a 36" arm machine sitting in Lefflers in Melbourne that belonged to a customer. He wanted over 3k for it.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

The cowboy 7300 is not in the website but it is in the catalogue and is basically the Puritan OS36.

[Trox]

Hi Darren,

I apologize, I have not seen that one.

The catalogue, does that include more stuff that is not in their web site? I have not talked to them lately, they once asked me to be their agent in Norway. I told them I could not make many sales here and turned the offer down.

There is no customers for that stuff here any more; every thing is made in China.

What about your machine, is it not a bigger version that sews heavier materials? If that could be stretched, or maybe it comes in a longer version? That will be an inexpensive golfbag sewing machine, it will do all seams. However, not without making some marks and scratches in the leather I am afraid.

It maybe in his budget limits.

If you are dealing with Vietnam, you might be able to tell him about the possibilities with small workshops there. In Thailand that is ancient history, the best thing for him is to have it made by a small workshop.

Pay an experienced Australian saddler to make him a good (easy to make) model of the bag, and tell him about the machines and possibility's the production site has. He only asked us about the machines, but I feel obligated to warn him about the process. It is lot more to it than buying a sewing machine. He had better visit a saddler's workshop to see, he is welcome to visit my workshop. I have a lot of machines but not the ones he will need to make that golf bag, and I am located to far away.

The maybe is some Australian member that will be able to help him, tell him a bit about the saddler's workshop and the tools needed to do the job.

quote name='Anne Bonnys Locker' timestamp='1337163596' post='248035']

The cowboy 7300 is not in the website but it is in the catalogue and is basically the Puritan OS36.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Trox

[Pinsplitter]

Thanks all for the interest in my "problem".

i am approaching it like you say.

- a small workshop with one skilled worker is all i need.

- design made as simple as possible.

- pattern made to work from.

if i do happen to find the worker i still think i would have to supply a machine or two,

unlikely they would have the right type of machine.

i really need to learn how to do it myself as well so i know if the worker guy knows what he's doing or show him how.

(you can't trust anyone not to take shortcuts or do a near enough good enough job in Asia).

unfortunately Thailand suits me as a location, but i take your point about it not happening here anymore.

at least i know how to deal with the people and what to expect (i.e. not much).

Vietnam maybe yes, or even Burma , but i don't know about getting the leather there.

i am thinking i might not need one of those sew down the arm machines,

the material will not be rigid or reinforced until after most sewing is done.

so the long seams can be done when it is all still flat, until the very last seam to make the actual sleeve/cylinder shape.

a pain to think i might need a whole machine to do just one seam.....hmmmm...

i would happily spend the money if i knew my brilliant idea was going to work!!

but i need to go slowly at first to test the market and feasability of manufacturing this way.

those chinese machines are pretty cheap, $1200 for a long cylinder arm and under $400 for a 30cm arm (not inc shipping).

anyhow my next step is to look at some leather suppliers here in Thailand for costing that part,

and look around Bangkok sewing machine suppliers,

and ask about any leads to find a leather worker and other supplies like hardware etc.

this is actually a very difficult country to get anything done or to find anything.

[jimsaddler]

Hi Pinsplitter

One of the comments was right. Start with a prototype and then work out what is required to produce the end Product.

If you are back in Australia you can come to to Qld to my Workshop and Fiddle with the Cowboy range of Machines and I have a good stock of Leather. Its a service I run for other Saddlers and Harness Makers to improve their Skills. (I'm semi retired but can't let go of My Trades of Saddler & Harness Maker). So this is how I keep my Brain active, by sharing.

I made a number of Golf Bags over the years, utilizing the normal Shop Machines like the 45K25 and a bit of Hand Sewing for closing. Nowa days we have such beaut Machines to use like the 441 class, the Bags can be made and turned with ease. My experience with the places you mention is not good as unless you can be there watching every day. You'll end up broke like the many who went before you. I spent 19yrs in the Pacific and was called the Survivor because I was able to survive the Shrinkage (Theft) that is naturally occurring.

The offer is there if you want it.<gsaddler@bigpond.com>

Kindest Regards.

Jim Saddler.

Thanks all for the interest in my "problem".

i am approaching it like you say.

- a small workshop with one skilled worker is all i need.

- design made as simple as possible.

- pattern made to work from.

if i do happen to find the worker i still think i would have to supply a machine or two,

unlikely they would have the right type of machine.

i really need to learn how to do it myself as well so i know if the worker guy knows what he's doing or show him how.

(you can't trust anyone not to take shortcuts or do a near enough good enough job in Asia).

unfortunately Thailand suits me as a location, but i take your point about it not happening here anymore.

at least i know how to deal with the people and what to expect (i.e. not much).

Vietnam maybe yes, or even Burma , but i don't know about getting the leather there.

i am thinking i might not need one of those sew down the arm machines,

the material will not be rigid or reinforced until after most sewing is done.

so the long seams can be done when it is all still flat, until the very last seam to make the actual sleeve/cylinder shape.

a pain to think i might need a whole machine to do just one seam.....hmmmm...

i would happily spend the money if i knew my brilliant idea was going to work!!

but i need to go slowly at first to test the market and feasability of manufacturing this way.

those chinese machines are pretty cheap, $1200 for a long cylinder arm and under $400 for a 30cm arm (not inc shipping).

anyhow my next step is to look at some leather suppliers here in Thailand for costing that part,

and look around Bangkok sewing machine suppliers,

and ask about any leads to find a leather worker and other supplies like hardware etc.

this is actually a very difficult country to get anything done or to find anything.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

You won't get a better offer than that!

[Pinsplitter]

yes thanks very much.

that is a lovely offer.

is Queensland dangerous? I haven't been there for 20 years.

I won't be back in Aus for a month and then will be busy but I will see how my plan unfolds.

Q. do you think it might be good to find a leather supplier here in Thailand to export to me in Aus?

would that be a reasonable cost saving compared to buying retail in Aus.

Thanks all for your help.

[jimsaddler]

No Qld is safe as long as you stay out of the Big Cities like I do. See what you can find in Leather there as all of our Leather is imported now unfortunately. It may be a cost advantage, if reliable.

I look forward to helping.

Kindest Regards.

Jim.

yes thanks very much.

that is a lovely offer.

is Queensland dangerous? I haven't been there for 20 years.

I won't be back in Aus for a month and then will be busy but I will see how my plan unfolds.

Q. do you think it might be good to find a leather supplier here in Thailand to export to me in Aus?

would that be a reasonable cost saving compared to buying retail in Aus.

Thanks all for your help.

[Pinsplitter]

kidding about QLD ...

saw a Juki LS 1341 secondhand machine just now in Bangkok.

asking $AUD 1350.00 approx.

i see they are about $4300 new.

guess it would be a good buy if i really needed a machine that serious.

man its enormous!! not what you call portable.

i guess i could do a lot of a golf bag with it.

and use it for the smaller bags / head covers and things like that.

was hoping not to spend that much on what is really the second machine,

money is never wasted on good quality tools they say.....

hmmmmm....

anyhow doing some more looking around tomorrow.