adler patcher

[HCM]

Hey folks,

I see a lot about adler 30-1, but nothing about a machine I found. It's an adler 30-7. The guy has converted it into a portable machine by mounting a motor onto it. That does not make me excited at all. He wants 900 for it. I wouldn't pay that much for it though. All my machines have servo and reducers on them. If I set this up the same way, can I do some hevy work on it? What's the difference between this and the other patchers everyone seems to talk about? I just don't see a lot of these machines in these parts, and aside from a heavy stitcher and band knife splitter, it's the only piece of equipment I don't have in my shop. Oh, and what size thread can I use on this machine? Any other input?

EDIT: Oh my! I've lurked here for so long, I didn't realize it was my first post. So, thank you to the community here for all the info I've got as a lurker, and I'm glad to pop my cherry with post #1 !!!!!!!!!!!

Edited August 7, 2008 by HCM

[Bree]

Hey folks,

I see a lot about adler 30-1, but nothing about a machine I found. It's an adler 30-7. The guy has converted it into a portable machine by mounting a motor onto it. That does not make me excited at all. He wants 900 for it. I wouldn't pay that much for it though. All my machines have servo and reducers on them. If I set this up the same way, can I do some hevy work on it? What's the difference between this and the other patchers everyone seems to talk about? I just don't see a lot of these machines in these parts, and aside from a heavy stitcher and band knife splitter, it's the only piece of equipment I don't have in my shop. Oh, and what size thread can I use on this machine? Any other input?

EDIT: Oh my! I've lurked here for so long, I didn't realize it was my first post. So, thank you to the community here for all the info I've got as a lurker, and I'm glad to pop my cherry with post #1 !!!!!!!!!!!

If I am not mistaken the Adler 30-7 is a clone of a long arm Singer 29K series machine. I have a 29K-60 and if I'm right about the 30-7, then you will have about 18" cyclinder to work with and a 360 degree rotating top feed. Expect about 3/8" capacity under the foot and probably a larger bobbin than the standard 29K bobbin. Also expect that the large bobbins will be considerably harder to find.

I use my 29K-60 a lot and it is a great machine. I wouldn't hesitate to grab an Adler if I could get a good deal on it.

Congrats on Post #1. I had my #1 only a short while ago too!

[HCM]

If I am not mistaken the Adler 30-7 is a clone of a long arm Singer 29K series machine. I have a 29K-60 and if I'm right about the 30-7, then you will have about 18" cyclinder to work with and a 360 degree rotating top feed. Expect about 3/8" capacity under the foot and probably a larger bobbin than the standard 29K bobbin. Also expect that the large bobbins will be considerably harder to find.

I use my 29K-60 a lot and it is a great machine. I wouldn't hesitate to grab an Adler if I could get a good deal on it.

Congrats on Post #1. I had my #1 only a short while ago too!

Thanks or the response. I was also told that it would be tough to find parts for this machine. Heard that from someone who wants to sell me a consew 29-bl. I trust these people, and he says this is a better machine just because of ease of finding parts. However, he wants $2000, a long way away form the probably negotiable $900 for the adler. 3/8 capacity should be able to accomodate most of my work, so that would be alright.

any I'm assuming #69-#138 thread is what this would take, right?

[Bree]

Thanks or the response. I was also told that it would be tough to find parts for this machine. Heard that from someone who wants to sell me a consew 29-bl. I trust these people, and he says this is a better machine just because of ease of finding parts. However, he wants $2000, a long way away form the probably negotiable $900 for the adler. 3/8 capacity should be able to accomodate most of my work, so that would be alright.

any I'm assuming #69-#138 thread is what this would take, right?

Parts seem to be harder to find for any of the 18" arm Singer machines then they are for the 12" arm machines. I suppose that is because they made a lot more 12" arm machines. I would guess that the same is true with the Adlers.

Assume #69 or #92 and I think that it will like #69 better than #92 or #138. I base this on my machine which definitely doesn't like real heavy thread. It messes with the tensioning and it is annoying to adjust. I seldom use anything but #69 in mine. Then again the Adler may be different. So I can't really say.

[Art]

Hi HCM,

The Consew is somewhat a copy of the Singer 29 Adler 30. There is no shortage of parts for the Adler or the Singer, they are used in the shoe repair industry today and a couple of clones are available, most parts interchange. I would prefer an Adler on a stand which you should be able to get into fairly reasonable, probably under $900, but I wouldn't pass up a good Singer which you might get for a couple of hundred less. New these machines go for $1700 to $2200.

First caveat, these are not heavy stitchers and do NOT feed as well as a leather sewing machine. They are patchers and will do some things that are almost impossible on a regular machine. On the Singers particularly be careful of the arms, they are not as sturdy as some of the newer machines, and once you break one, the machine is practically toast. Thread size limit will be 138, but I've seen ones that only like 92 or 69. You can adjust them to run any of the three but once you have them adjusted, you stick with the same thing forever, even changing colors can be a little tricky. Like Ron Popeil says, "Set it and Forget it".

What I am trying to say here is that you need a medium stitcher, a heavy stitcher and maybe a 29 over in the corner. Sometimes you can get a stitcher like the Artisan 3000 to cover the medium and heavy angle, but a top feed machine like the 29 is not going to do well for you as a general purpose sewing machine, however if you sew patches on sleeves, a 3000 would get old fast doing that job.

Art

Thanks or the response. I was also told that it would be tough to find parts for this machine. Heard that from someone who wants to sell me a consew 29-bl. I trust these people, and he says this is a better machine just because of ease of finding parts. However, he wants $2000, a long way away form the probably negotiable $900 for the adler. 3/8 capacity should be able to accomodate most of my work, so that would be alright.

any I'm assuming #69-#138 thread is what this would take, right?

[Bree]

however if you sew patches on sleeves, a 3000 would get old fast doing that job.

Sure would as you hand stitch all the vertical stitches on the sleeve!

[HCM]

Stitching sleeve patches with an Art 3000. HAHA LOL, wouldn't wanna do that!

I have a nakajima cylinder arm with a 9 inch reducer and servo motor on it. It does anything I can throw at it. I know the patchers aren't heavy stitchers, but I was just wondering how heavy I could go with it. The guy who has the machine now has a dinky little motor on it that looks like it came from a toy. He says the way the machine is built allows it to sew very strong with this little motor. Normally I wouldn't beleive it, but I have a machine with a motor the size of my fist that will stitch through 5 layers of 5 oz veg leather all glued together with barge between each layer. It's like sewing through plywood. I know the patcher can't do that, but if it could do 3/8", that will more than work for me. But.....do I need to put a reducer and servo motor on their to get slow torque? What motor will work best with this thing? Sorry for the sloppy post, I'm in a hurry....gotta run!

I guess I need to go take some of my pieces over to the guy and try out the machine to see if it will do what I want.

[Art]

Now, there you go.

Art

I guess I need to go take some of my pieces over to the guy and try out the machine to see if it will do what I want.

[HCM]

Only problem with that is that he has made this machine into a "portable" machine with the little motor mounted right on the machine itself. I'm not confident that this motor will show the machine's true colors, if ya know what I mean. I'll try it anyway, and see where to go from there. Just wanted to hear from someone that the 30-7 is a good machine before going for it. Sounds like a winner to me, so far.

thanks!

[Bree]

Stitching sleeve patches with an Art 3000. HAHA LOL, wouldn't wanna do that!

I have a nakajima cylinder arm with a 9 inch reducer and servo motor on it. It does anything I can throw at it. I know the patchers aren't heavy stitchers, but I was just wondering how heavy I could go with it. The guy who has the machine now has a dinky little motor on it that looks like it came from a toy. He says the way the machine is built allows it to sew very strong with this little motor. Normally I wouldn't beleive it, but I have a machine with a motor the size of my fist that will stitch through 5 layers of 5 oz veg leather all glued together with barge between each layer. It's like sewing through plywood. I know the patcher can't do that, but if it could do 3/8", that will more than work for me. But.....do I need to put a reducer and servo motor on their to get slow torque? What motor will work best with this thing? Sorry for the sloppy post, I'm in a hurry....gotta run!

I guess I need to go take some of my pieces over to the guy and try out the machine to see if it will do what I want.

No motor necessary. You can use the foot treadle or even hand crank it.

If you want to use a motor just get a 1/2 hp servo w/no speed reducer. It will work fine for the 3/8" that the machine can sew and you can always grab the flywheel and horse it if you need to.

I once had mine hooked up to a little sewing motor from a Brother machine. It actually worked just fine. I took it off because I prefer hand cranking it.