Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted November 5, 2012 Members Report Posted November 5, 2012 Bonded polyester is not quite as strong but is less abrasive than bonded nylon and has better UV resistance so it may be 5% weaker than Nylon but will be 5% stronger in 2 years time. Quote Darren Brosowski
Members Dogface Posted November 5, 2012 Author Members Report Posted November 5, 2012 I've never used bonded thread of any kind but will be anxious to try it. For what I do, strength is not as impt. as durability. Will be nice to not have ends fray Quote
Trox Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 Bonded polyester is not quite as strong but is less abrasive than bonded nylon and has better UV resistance so it may be 5% weaker than Nylon but will be 5% stronger in 2 years time. Hi Darren, I am only using polyester threads (Coats Gral and Amman Serafil). My big Adler's (204, 105 and 5) like polyester much better than bonded nylon, B. nylon is too stiff for them. Polyester are much softer. The strength is not an issue, they are both almost too strong. My reason for trying bonded nylon is the difficulties to get thick enough polyester for my 441. I have to order the thickest sizes abroad, I cannot get them here in Norway. What brand of threads are you buying in a so large scale? are you selling that much. You aren't afraid it will become old before you get rid of it? Quote Tor Workshop machines: TSC 441 clone/Efka DC1550, Dürkopp-Adler 267-373/Efka DC1600, Pfaff 345-H3/Cobra 600W, Singer 29K-72, Sandt 8 Ton clicking machine, Alpha SM skiving unit, Fortuna 620 band knife splitting machine. Old Irons: Adler 5-27, Adler 30-15, Singer 236W-100
Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted November 6, 2012 Members Report Posted November 6, 2012 I have thread made in China and branded for me. At the moment I import $US1000 worth of High Tenacity Polyester - equivalent to Serafil - every six months or so.in 40 ticket (#69) in black, Raw White and a medium dark brown. I would stick to the Serafil type thread but the market here is dominated by bonded nylon so the bonded polyester will be less of a change for them. Hi Darren, I am only using polyester threads (Coats Gral and Amman Serafil). My big Adler's (204, 105 and 5) like polyester much better than bonded nylon, B. nylon is too stiff for them. Polyester are much softer. The strength is not an issue, they are both almost too strong. My reason for trying bonded nylon is the difficulties to get thick enough polyester for my 441. I have to order the thickest sizes abroad, I cannot get them here in Norway. What brand of threads are you buying in a so large scale? are you selling that much. You aren't afraid it will become old before you get rid of it? Quote Darren Brosowski
Trox Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 I understand why they will not change threads when they have something that works. Sewing threads are a jungle of sizes, it even changes with material its made of. Then it is the old trouble metric or imperial. I could not get bonded nylon to work for me, polyester did and I stuck with it. Many times I wished I used the same as you guys in Australia and USA, that way I knew what you where talking about in the the related topics about it. I will check with some of our US dealers to get some tex. 400 to 500. I guess TKT 40 thread you import are for your Patcher customers, Anne Bonney Locker`s finest bonded nylon? It sounds real good to me. I do not know what you call it, However, "Bonded" will for sure have a relaxing effect on your customers. By the way Here it is some old Singers I know you would have wanted. http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/tilsalgs/object?finnkode=38162206&reference=2012%2F11%2Fvertical-5%2F04%2F6%2F381%2F622%2F06_33347346.jpg price (before bargain) 220$ http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/tilsalgs/object?finnkode=37755993&reference=2012%2F10%2Fvertical-5%2F14%2F9%2F137%2F486%2F99_1625143583.jpg (This one I cannot identify) 120$ http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/tilsalgs/annonse?finnkode=37442286 And a nice Adler zik zak 220$ Plus One 7K-32, 75$ and one 45K with cylinderarm 120$, the add was to old to show. It did not sell and I have no room for more. Quote Tor Workshop machines: TSC 441 clone/Efka DC1550, Dürkopp-Adler 267-373/Efka DC1600, Pfaff 345-H3/Cobra 600W, Singer 29K-72, Sandt 8 Ton clicking machine, Alpha SM skiving unit, Fortuna 620 band knife splitting machine. Old Irons: Adler 5-27, Adler 30-15, Singer 236W-100
Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted November 6, 2012 Members Report Posted November 6, 2012 The second could be a 16k28. It is hard read the badge but It certainly looks like a 16. Just to make ordering thread even more fun is that the Chinese use a different system again. Quote Darren Brosowski
Trox Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 The second could be a 16k28. It is hard read the badge but It certainly looks like a 16. Just to make ordering thread even more fun is that the Chinese use a different system again. You are right, It must be a 16K-28. It has a shuttle hook like the big stitcher's and can sew medium thick materials. It has only drop feed, however it is in a very nice original condition. A good piece for a Singer collector, you do not see these to often in a this good condition. There is a nice Adler 467 with Rotan pos motor and all air pneumatic for sale to, Any Norwegians looking for a good machine check it out on Finn.no. The thread jungle is not funny at all, if its something our industry should work together against; its a standardization of thread sizes. Even experienced saddler are afraid of trying something new when it involves a hole new size chart. It is complexed enough to remember what needle we used for which thread size, we do not want to take on whole new type of measurement, time is money. Standardizations must be done fast before the politicians starts to mess with it, we still fight about Metric or imperial. I guess we never will agree about what is the best system. I somebody made a Iphone app with threads and needle conversations I sure would have bought it. Quote Tor Workshop machines: TSC 441 clone/Efka DC1550, Dürkopp-Adler 267-373/Efka DC1600, Pfaff 345-H3/Cobra 600W, Singer 29K-72, Sandt 8 Ton clicking machine, Alpha SM skiving unit, Fortuna 620 band knife splitting machine. Old Irons: Adler 5-27, Adler 30-15, Singer 236W-100
Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted November 6, 2012 Members Report Posted November 6, 2012 The 16 series is more or less a long bed version of the 15 class that over time was developed into a whole range of light industrial machines. Most use the standard 15 class shuttle hook and bobbin case. The 16k28 uses the long beak shuttle as found in the 17/18 class (also Seiko TE/TF) and has a wheel feed. As is typical the 16 class continues in production alongside the 31 and they had similar capabilities! Quote Darren Brosowski
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