shooter45 Report post Posted November 21, 2012 I do cowboy mounted shooting and started to do shotgun competition . I need a pattern to make a scabbard for my Stoeger Arms 410 coach gun. Does anyone have any ideas? I would want to mount it on the saddle right back cinch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shtoink Report post Posted November 21, 2012 Since there are many variables for even one model of rifle, it might be best to make your own pattern based on what you intend to have attached to your rifle. I know that "The Art of Making Leather Cases, Volume 3" by Al Stohlman deals with making rifle cases. The whole series is a good source of information, but vol 3 deals with larger cases and cases for rifles specifically. I wish I had a better answer for you, but if it is going to be a custom scabbard, then you are left with only a few options. Buy one and hope you can make it work, pay someone to custom make one, or custom make one yourself. I suspect you will be most happy with making your own if you are asking about how to get that done in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Nelson Report post Posted November 22, 2012 Since there are many variables for even one model of rifle, it might be best to make your own pattern based on what you intend to have attached to your rifle. I know that "The Art of Making Leather Cases, Volume 3" by Al Stohlman deals with making rifle cases. The whole series is a good source of information, but vol 3 deals with larger cases and cases for rifles specifically. I wish I had a better answer for you, but if it is going to be a custom scabbard, then you are left with only a few options. Buy one and hope you can make it work, pay someone to custom make one, or custom make one yourself. I suspect you will be most happy with making your own if you are asking about how to get that done in here. I built one last week here in my shop. Would you care to purchase the pattern and instructions? HTH Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcn Report post Posted November 22, 2012 I made a few a while back. Still have a couple here. Picture should give you a pretty good idea of how it's done or let me know if you want details. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikesmith648 Report post Posted November 22, 2012 I built one last week here in my shop. Would you care to purchase the pattern and instructions? HTH Ken I saw the one Ken made.........it is a beauty!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Nelson Report post Posted November 23, 2012 Thanks Mike! Fellas, I appreciate the people that loan patterns. However, if you run a saddle shop like I do, YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO BUILD PATTERNS!!!!!! I have a lot of books that I have purchased learning to build patterns and how to draw carving patterns, which I am not very good at. Borrowing patterns is like using a set of crutches after your broken leg has healed. If you take up golf, you will spend money equiping yourself to play and either pay a pro to teach you or spend a lot of time being self taught. Leathercraft is not much different. Tips are great but patterns---Well I am not sure giving patterns is really helping anyone in the long run but I may be wrong. Kind of like the old saying about giving a man a fish and feed him for one meal. Teach him to fish and he can feed himself the rest of his life. But that is just my 22 cents worth. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcn Report post Posted November 23, 2012 Just my opinion and don't want this taken wrong but this is " How do I do that " not Does someone have something for sale. Selling someone a boat is not teaching them how to fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtclod Report post Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) I don't have one for sale or for free. But i will tell you how i would make one. Get some paper or poster board and fold it in the middle. Then lay your gun down in the fold, then turn it over on it's side and trace the stock and forearm piece from their own your going to have to measure and add for the barrels and add around 3/4 of a inch at the stock. Patterns aint hard to make they just take a little time and when it's done you have done it all. That's the way i made patterns for the scabbards i have made. Edited November 23, 2012 by dirtclod Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Nelson Report post Posted November 23, 2012 Just my opinion and don't want this taken wrong but this is " How do I do that " not Does someone have something for sale. Selling someone a boat is not teaching them how to fish Should someone who has purchased the various books or researched how to build patterns be expected to give the patterns away to those who are too lazy to learn how to build their own. I will gladly recommend several books on building patterns if someone is interested in learning HOW. Because you are a beginner, does not mean more experienced craftsmen should give away their work. I don't mind helping someone, but get tired of the GIVE-ME attitude I see often now adays but that is just the way I see it. Ken I don't have one for sale or for free. But i will tell you how i would make one. Get some paper or poster board and fold it in the middle. Then lay your gun down in the fold, then turn it over on it's side and trace the stock and forearm piece from their own your going to have to measure and add for the barrels and add around 3/4 of a inch at the stock. Pattern aint hard to make they just take a little time and when it's done you have done it all. Excellent point sir! When it is all your work, it is more rewarding and you are actually using or selling your IDEA as much as your craftsmanship. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluesman1951 Report post Posted November 24, 2012 Should someone who has purchased the various books or researched how to build patterns be expected to give the patterns away to those who are too lazy to learn how to build their own. I will gladly recommend several books on building patterns if someone is interested in learning HOW. Because you are a beginner, does not mean more experienced craftsmen should give away their work. I don't mind helping someone, but get tired of the GIVE-ME attitude I see often now adays but that is just the way I see it. Ken Excellent point sir! When it is all your work, it is more rewarding and you are actually using or selling your IDEA as much as your craftsmanship. Ken I can see your point . Why give away the farm ? There are so many artists here in New Mexico that a new idea stands as much chance as a hunk of meat in a pool of Pirranahs . Its wholesale idea theft and people have shot each other over it . Imagine getting killed over a dreamcatcher . I do rember way back when I first started and was lost in the land of leather .Each knot and technique camd slowly some were gifts some trial and error some tons of study . Now after 25 years There is a nice pile of knowledge in my bag of tricks . I ask myself about sharing from time to time and still dont have a answer . If you learned it then give it away for nothing then you have placed a value of nothing on what you have learned . I dont really know what to say about sharing . I looked at your work sir and all I can say is you have payed your dues ,no doubt about it . I can see the hours spent at the bench each step from first to last . To say "Can I have all the patterns to make that for nothing " is just askin a bunch that no one is entitled too. With that said I am going to step back and walk away from this . Sir thats a mighty fine scabbard you made simply made to last good to ride the river with ,in my opinion its as good as it gets my compliments . I understand your position completely . Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites