pineapple question

[KnotHead]

You could try out Ron Edwards book, Round Knots Advanced Leather Work volume 2. Kind of expensive book but worth it. They operate out of Australia. Google for Ram Skull Press.

[crow]

Alan,

Ive been trying this all night now but no sucess.

Did i get it right: i start as short PA but make 2 turns around mandrel instead of 1. Then i go around the top and come down making 2 turns again without going under.There will form 2crosses in the front and 1 in the back, is it correct? then going up again with 2 turns but cant figure out what is the o/u sequence there. Should i just go all the way to the top no passing under?

Ive tried different set ups but i end up with parallels which i cant get out.

thanks

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

Here are some pictures of a two turn four bight knot. I'm not very good with the camera or directions but here goes. I've used a different colored marker for each pass. And I showed a picture of the front and back for each pass.The first pass is out of natural go around twice forming to x's on the front and one on the back.

2nd pass going up. purple string wrap around again when you get to the top go o1,down turn and go u1o1u1o1u1(standing end)o1 turn up red string u1o1u1o1u1turn going over two down u1o2u1o2u1 turn o2 green string going up u1o2u1o2u1o1 turn down u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1 turn u1 next to standing end.

[rawhide1]

last two pics. I know this isn't the best instructions but maybe their good enough to get ya by this knot. If ya need me to clear something up just holler.

Mike

[crow]

Thanks Mike for finding time to take these pics.

I almost got it but still have some confuson in some places

"2nd pass going up. purple string wrap around again when you get to the top go o1,down turn and go u1o1u1o1u1(standing end)o1" - I`m going over every lace anyway why this o1 before turn then?

I also found this thread in knot heads forum http://www.khww.net/readarticle.php?article_id=53 Isn`t it the same with 3 bights?

Then is the sequence of adding bights to 2 turn PA different then on 1 turn?

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

I confuse myself most times. I mean when you get to the top you go over the bight and then turn and go under the next bight. On the second pass when ya get to the top and make your turn and start going down this will be the first time you start going under another string. The under standing end is just a reference point and over one to finish off that pass. I'm not sure this clears it up. If ya still have trouble just holler again and we'll get it worked out. And if anybody out there can explain it better jump on in ya wont hurt my feeling any. I haven't had time to look at that knot as were off to the state fair.

Good Luck

Mike

[crow]

Mike`,

Thank you so far helping me out, i think im almost done, some last questions.

turn up red string u1o1u1o1u1turn going over two down u1o2u1o2u1 turn o2 green string going up u1o2u1o2u1o1 turn down u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1u1o1 turn u1 n

As you see on the pic i`m on the o1 (the bold letters) with working end. Now i cant find where to go u1.

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

It looks like your on the right path. In looking at the knot I can see where you have three strings going over one towards the bottom of the knot. You should only have two strings going over one. So back your string out till you get back to the bottom. When you make your turn you want to go over two (the x) to form a nother bight. It looks like your string is on the right path but when you get to the top you should be coming under the next string up. It's just like increasing the bights in a regular pinapple. The only differnce is you have the o2,u1,o2 sequnce to make up for the extra turn.Here are a few more pic. I backed the string(green) out to start the last pass. If these dont work holler and we'll keep trying. I'm on duty tommrrow(Tue.) and wont be able to post any more pics until I get home Wed. Going over two(x) going under one and continue up o2,u1,o2,u1 wich is the next picture and then o1,u1 which is the next pic. and continue down o1,u1ect... until you reach the end.

Mike

Edited September 9, 2008 by rawhide1

[rawhide1]

crow

somehow my pictures moved around on me. The last picture should be under the first picture as it is the third step. I'm not sure which one didn't show up. The next picture just shows coming under one and the last picture shows the end of the knot. Anywhy see if these are of any help.

Mike

[crow]

Mike ,

i did it. thanks man.

Hopefully lots of other people get some help from this thread too.

crow