pineapple question

[rcsaddles]

Not sure if this will help but if you look at instructions on a pineapple knot of two or three passes, it may help. I think the question was how to make the pineapple cover an awl handle. I was just lookin gat the Ron Edwards book Round Knots and Braids Advanced Leatherwork Volume 2 and that may help.

I ordered Ron's book almost two years ago and I love it. Yes on the two books I got I spend about $130 but with the information I have gotten out of them and the ease of understanding the instructions it was money well spent.

I hope this helps out a little.

God Bless

Joe Boyles

Rugged Cross Saddlery

Lewistown,MT

[crow]

...i just can`t end this thread...

I increase it to 6 bight but now i`m strugling with o2 interwave.

As i understand basicly going up follow the string left, down follow the string right, am i right? Fisrt 2 turns up and down under the cross. then i just follow the left and right string. If it is going under 2 to i just follow under 2 right? top and bottom will be u3 from this point.

Now if take a look at Grants book the instructions of small PA, somehwere it starts like o2 u1 o1 u1 o1 u3 , then if my knot is longer should i go like o2 u2 o1 u1 etc. What i mean is that should i increase this formula someway for long pineapple.

For more explanation:

Grants book:

o1, u1 etc

o2 u1 o1 etc

o2 u2 o1 etc

o2 u2 o2 u2 o1 etc

and last is all the way o2 u2 etc

How should i change this formula for my purpose?

hopfully this question wasn`t more difficult to understand than answer itself

thanks in advance

[rawhide1]

crow

I'm not to sure of the ?. Going up follow the string to the left going down follow the one to the right. But if it is your first interweave just follow the standing part up with a o1,u1 sequence and when ya get to the top to make your turn go under two(x) go back down with a o1,u1 sequence but when ya come to parallel strings split them( so you will be going over two when ya split a pair of strings) It is the same way you would do your interweaves on a regular pineapple knot (1x knot). But since you went around the core more times (longer knot) you will have to split pairs sooner. So whether it is your first interweave or more you have to build parallel strings first and then split them when you come to them.

Hope this helps and makes sense

Mike

[crow]

Thanks once again Mike,

i got it this time. "split where you can" was all i needed to know.

all the best

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

your welcome I hope ya show the finished product!

Mike

[crow]

started all over again, the first one was too tight in narrow places, too wide strings i guess. The second one one the pics is too loose, too much open space. Its 6 bight. Should i increase the bights or redo with wider lace, what you think.

As you see there are lots of places with different width. Your suggestions how would you cover it are warmly welcome. I`d like to keep the lace quite narrow, maybe 2mm. RIght now it is 6 bight, do you think adding bights, 8bights for example, will loose gaps in narrow part? I m going to fill the wide part later with o3 or o4 if 3 is not enough.

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

If ya could make it a eight bight knot I think it would fill that narrow part. I just don't know if ya can get another bight on there. You could make your strings a little wider and that should work also. Or you could also cut your strings a little narrower to open it up and get the next interweave through easier. I'm not sure how tight your strings are but it would be nice if you could start at the bottom with your next interweave. It will be dang tight but you my be able to make it work. I think it would be worth a shot before cutting the knot off. I would make sure to grease my strings up real well. Keep after it you'll get it.

Mike

[Alan Bell]

Crow, My friend you have it just right in the first pic. There is no way to tie a knot that will fill those different sizes perfectly. What you do now is to increase the interweave on the larger part to over three under three. This you do in the same manner as the increase to over 2 under 2. If you are unsure how many to go under when you start back down the other direction you can look ahead at where the pattern of your "V" will be and cross under till you come out in the right place. Adding the 3rd interweave will tighten everything up quite a bit (even the smaller diameter) and by the final pass you will barely be able to fit the lace in the space left but that is how you end up with a nice, smooth and tight covering. It should turn out quite nicely if you do this. Looks good so far!

Vaya Con Dios, Alan Bell

[crow]

well,

Sorry guys for this long confusing thread, i should have waited for my books instead of tortureing you here.

Got my GH books set today. I`m truely impressed of the clarity of explanations.

All the books are even handsigned by autor. I guess i`m a better braider now just having these books

crow

Edited September 15, 2008 by crow

[crow]

finally finished. Started all over again 4-5 times to be satisfied.

The black and red color have a nice bright tone, but selfphone`s camera does its work.

crow

Edited September 18, 2008 by crow