Type 1 - 4 Pass Pineapple Knot

[skyout]

I hope it helps. Don't hesitate if you have any questions, I'll try to help as many others here will too. Tom Hall's Introduction to Turk's Head Knots is one of the best books for understanding Pineapple Knots. jmo It's free in pdf format on Facebook in "The mighty turkshead knot" group in the files section. I was actually trying to tie the 32p x32b, 4 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot but my mandrel was too small so the 4th interweave was getting way too tight. I'll have to take it apart and try again later.

[Tracym]

I've been trying to find a tutorial for a type 2 pineapple knot with no success - anyone have one?

Edited January 29, 2014 by Tracym

[TXAG]

I hope it helps. Don't hesitate if you have any questions, I'll try to help as many others here will too. Tom Hall's Introduction to Turk's Head Knots is one of the best books for understanding Pineapple Knots. jmo It's free in pdf format on Facebook in "The mighty turkshead knot" group in the files section. I was actually trying to tie the 32p x32b, 4 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot but my mandrel was too small so the 4th interweave was getting way too tight. I'll have to take it apart and try again later.

Yes, I have had that book for a while now. It is helpful...but I still don't understand parts of it...like that way he says to name pineapple knots...oh well...

Are you tying the 32L x 32B knot from an over/under pattern somewhere? I'd really like to find the pattern to do that...

I've been trying to find a tutorial for a type 2 pineapple knot with no success - anyone have one?

I thought those were covered in the tom hall book, Tracym...I don't like the type 2 ones very much because they don't seem as well-contained as the type 1 ones...they don't "close down" on the ends like the type 1 and don't look very "finished" to me. I doubt I will use them in any of the items I make, but I guess it is good to know how to tie them anyway...if I find it in the tom hall book, I'll let you know which page it's on...

[skyout]

The late Dan Alaska helped me a lot but he used a different way of naming knots than Tom Hall. I like Hall's way better because you know exactly what Turks Head knots go into the Pineapple knot. Dan has run lists for what he calls a Type 3, 4 Pass, but it is really a Type 4 according to Hall. It has a 7part x 6bight Primary (base) knot. You may be able to figure out how the Type 2 for a 9p x 8b is tied by following it. You just have to follow the same pattern one more time in the center for the larger knot. The top and bottom will be the same with 2 extra bights for the larger knot. This is the run list for the 2nd string using the 7p x6b TH: http://pineappleknotstutorials.over-blog.org/article-type-3-4-pass-pineapple-knot-2nd-string-90281932.html

We lost a lot of tuts when he passed, but someone saved a lot of them and you can see them here: http://pineappleknotstutorials.over-blog.org/articles-blog.html

I love the larger Type PKs. The more bights you have the larger the "pucker" effect is at the poles of knot. Any knot with a bight count larger than 4 will have a hole at the ends, the more bights, the larger the hole. Here are some beautiful larger Type PK's by Barry Brown. He helped me understand PKs more than anyone else. Unfortunately, a lot of Barry's diagrams on The Pineapple Knot Forum (http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php) disappeared when Dan passed away. Check out Barry's awesome work here: http://ropeandcanvas.blogspot.com/p/miscellaneous.html

[skyout]

Here's the one I was working on straight off the dowel w/o any dressing/tightening. I pulled the 4th pass out (not seen in pic) because it got too tight. Mine is black and gold for my daughters school, University of Central Florida, where she's graduating in April w/honor's. Whoo Hoo. Anyway, this is a 25 part x 24 bight, 3 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot with a 9p x8b Turks Head Primary knot. This means there are two (black) 9p x 8b THs and one (gold) 7p x 8b TH.

Edited January 29, 2014 by skyout

[TXAG]

Here's the one I was working on straight off the dowel w/o any dressing/tightening. I pulled the 4th pass out (not seen in pic) because it got too tight. Mine is black and gold for my daughters school, University of Central Florida, where she's graduating in April w/honor's. Whoo Hoo. Anyway, this is a 25 part x 24 bight, 3 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot with a 9p x8b Turks Head Primary knot. This means there are two (black) 9p x 8b THs and one (gold) 7p x 8b TH.

That is neat...

How would you go from that to a 32p x32b, 4 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot? I'm not even sure I understand how to get to where you are in the pic above...I'm so confused.

Also, I thought the original one I was trying to do was a Type I Pineapple Knot...when I tried the type 2, the ends didn't close up and there were bights on the outside of the ends...I didn't like it at all...

Still quite confused...

Edited January 29, 2014 by TXAG

[skyout]

To get to the 32p x32b, 4 Pass, Type 2 Pineapple Knot, I would need to add one more 7p x8b ( gold) pass, the top 7p x8b in the chart on post# 17

In the 4 pass knot you tied, all your interweaves, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th passes, are nested inside the left and right boundaries of the first pass 9p x 8b Primary knot. Mine has the 2nd pass inside the left hand boundary of the Primary 1st pass but goes outside the Primary 1st pass's right hand boundary. This is how you get the 2 brown zig zags, or /\/\/\, for the symmetrical look you wanted that your knot doesn't have (only one brown zig zags, or /\/\/\, at the top of the knot). The chart in post# 17 shows the Primary 9p x 8b on the bottom. The 9p x 8b just above it shows it's right side going past, or outside, the lower ones right hand boundary. It's really hard for me to try to explain, but I hope it helps some.

The bights on the ends should close up the same on a Type 2 as they do on a Type 1 PK, There's no difference at the ends.

[TXAG]

Ok.

Well, is there any way you might be able to at least start me out with the overs and unders on that last pass, please? And if you can, do I just make the 4 pass type 1 like before and add that final pass then?

Or is there a tutorial for the type 2 to cover the first four passes that I could use?

Going to look in the tom hall book some more...maybe some of it will sink in one day...

[skyout]

Tie the first pass the same way as before, then you need to change your second pass. Start it the same but keep going past the first brown pass. Your third and forth pass will be the same.

There is a tutorial but it's for a smaller 7p x6b Primary knot, which will only give you 4 (white color) zig zags and not the 6 white zig zags. You only need it for the second (brown) pass because only the brown 2nd strand goes outside the Primary knot's right hand side boundary. Your 2nd and 3rd white passes will be nested inside the left boundary of the brown 2nd pass and inside the right boundary of the 1st brown pass. It should help, just follow with extra O U's until the end. I think you can figure this out. The knot you tied, think about it, if you took away the 1st brown pass, just pull it out, now you have a brown, a white and a 2nd white pass. It's a 21p x 24b, 3 pass, Type 3 knot where each pass goes outside the right hand boundary of the knot under it.. So on the new knot, tie the 2nd strand the same way you did on these. The only difference is it will be a 9p x 8b instead of the 7p x8b. I hope this makes sense.

Tut for the second string/pass/strand:

http://pineappleknot...g-90281932.html

Edited January 29, 2014 by skyout

[TXAG]

Thanks so much for that!! I am going to sit down and try to tackle this again tonight with your info above. Thanks again!