joeyrsmith Report post Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Hi gang, Just got some 135x16 leather needles in. Chisel point. Needles made by Organ. Been only using 135x17 since I got the machine. Loaded them up to test stitch with 138 & 207 thread. Man it sure is tight underneath watching the hook go around. Both of them will seem like they are almost pinned by the needle guard when it comes around. For sure the 24. It stitches ok with no skips or stops. The 207 also seems tight when it comes around the hook and btw the case and feed dog plate. It will kinda snag at that point. But the pressure will pull it thru. No fraying. 207 on the bobbin Is 207 thread too big for this machine? Again, the 207 stitches fine with it top and bobbin. 138 top and bobbin is just fine. Are Schmetz needles made a little different than Organ? So maybe they dont get pinned? ANy light would be appreciated. Joey Edited January 23, 2014 by joeyrsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gottaknow Report post Posted January 23, 2014 207 is really too much for these machines. Aside from proper tensioning, other issues are too light take up springs and pushing the latch opener to its limits. It may work, but will likely be inconsistent. Regards, Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) The hitting or pinning of the needle means you either have to relocate the shuttle to the right, or have already reached its maximum needle handling capacity. Contact an industrial sewing machine dealer to see if they have any hooks capable of clearing that needle and thread combination without making contact. You run the risk of breaking needles and scoring the hook if you continue to operate the machine in this fashion. The hook should just pass through the scarf of the needle without pushing it to the right. The stitches are already doing that as you sew. Schmetz needles are an improvement over Organ, especially for sewing leather goods. Schmetz has a larger eye and scarf. Edited January 23, 2014 by Wizcrafts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyrsmith Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Good info thx guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyrsmith Report post Posted January 23, 2014 207 is really too much for these machines. Aside from proper tensioning, other issues are too light take up springs and pushing the latch opener to its limits. It may work, but will likely be inconsistent. Regards, Eric Eric, after rereading. I have to ask about the latch opener. I think I know what you are talking about but want to make sure. Is that the bobbin case opener? What is the exact setting for those. I have just read my manual over that issue. Still trying to see what it does exactly. thx joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyrsmith Report post Posted January 23, 2014 The hitting or pinning of the needle means you either have to relocate the shuttle to the right, or have already reached its maximum needle handling capacity. Contact an industrial sewing machine dealer to see if they have any hooks capable of clearing that needle and thread combination without making contact. You run the risk of breaking needles and scoring the hook if you continue to operate the machine in this fashion. The hook should just pass through the scarf of the needle without pushing it to the right. The stitches are already doing that as you sew. Schmetz needles are an improvement over Organ, especially for sewing leather goods. Schmetz has a larger eye and scarf. Wiz, I reread the manual on adjusting the shuttle to the right. I had plenty of play. Lo and Behold its working perfect. I am slowly putting the pieces of the Industrial puzzle together. Thx again for enlightening me. Joey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Wiz, I reread the manual on adjusting the shuttle to the right. I had plenty of play. Lo and Behold its working perfect. I am slowly putting the pieces of the Industrial puzzle together. Thx again for enlightening me. Joey I have repair-ed your machine. There is a no charge (Insp. Clouseau). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
