yoji Report post Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Amazing update after a very long time of searching for the right product. I will be in France late December and will be buying some edge paint from mando in paris. (i have explained on my other topic that their edge paint is used by LV\ goyard and some Hermes products according to mando.) Today i got a call from a contact, finally my search ends here! He will be able to source me the exact edge paint used by Hermes (specificly on belts and watch straps where heavier rubbing resistance and durability needed). He told me that this is pretty heavy viscosity product, dries pretty fast and covers amazingly. I will be flying there Thursday to buy some supply for my self and test some other products. The product is more expensive than what mando sells. Mando price is 18 euro + taxes for 1 litre. And the Stahl paint (produced specially for hermes) is 26 euro + taxes for 500ml. From what my contact explains, this is way more concentrated than fenice, berraud and supra c vernish 600 products and requires less coats. So even though the cost of the product is higher, it will be cheaper to use it since less product is needed to achieve the result. If anyone wants some product i will be willing to send you while i am there, Currently they have only the basic 14 pantone colors. They do custom colors but it takes some time and i will be there only for couple of days. If you are interested i can forward it to you guys: 30.68 euro cost of the paint 1.5 euro for the bottle seal shipping and handling - will be added based on your shipping preference. Let me know if you are interested. cheers Edited December 2, 2014 by yoji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zikman Report post Posted December 2, 2014 hmm I may be interested. gotta figure out exactly what colors. I'll let you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoji Report post Posted December 2, 2014 sure. just keep in mind that they are not working on weekends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefanninator Report post Posted December 3, 2014 I've been using Fenice and it looks pretty nice but takes way too many coats. Interested to see how the Stahl and others finish up. Are you from the US? Would you ship this back or fly it back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoji Report post Posted December 3, 2014 thefanninator: when i first ordered the fenice edge paint plus (the thicker viscosity) from cambpell i was sure that it was going to satisfy my needs but as you have indicated i found that it takes too many coats to get the desired effect. I don't even want to think how the non "plus" version is. However i find that the fenice product is great quality wise, but it was not what i needed. sometimes i have larger orderes and i don't have the time to play around with 5-6 coats of paint. Even though i fabricated (DIY) a drying oven it still takes too many time. If this product is going to be like my contact indicated so this will be a great timesaver no, I am not from the US, it should be clear from my english. LOL I will be flying back with the products, but for those who are interested to get some i will be sending them from there. Frankly i was sure that there will be way more interest on it since there are a lot of interest on it from what i see. looks like folks are pretty satisfied with the fenice results.. maybe we are not the smart ones here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoji Report post Posted December 5, 2014 some stahl edge paint additives and 4 liters of concentrated edge paint juice used by hermes. by stahl!! made a quick test and i can definitely say that it is an amazing product!! just payed for it 300 euros + taxes. amazingly concentrated. probably if diluted with water, one can get around 10 liters of fenice like consistency product. i will be ordering a bit more. so last call, if anybody wants it, it is the time. i will not have time to deal with it after Tuesday.. cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefanninator Report post Posted December 5, 2014 What's the smallest amount I can order? Are you willing to divide some up into a smaller container? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoji Report post Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) the products on the picture are mine tuesday i will be ordering one more batch of products for the who ever contacted me through PM. 500ml is the smallest that i can go right now since i didn't bring with me other sizes of empty bottles (and i can not go and search for HDPA bottles ) Edited December 6, 2014 by yoji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefanninator Report post Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I received my package today. Thanks Yogi! This edge paint is much thicker than Fenice. I'll post up a photo in the next day or two. Edited December 29, 2014 by thefanninator Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kidinsky Report post Posted January 7, 2015 hi yigi, i live in europe, Germany i have been looking for this Stahl paint for a long time, do you know from where can i order it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidL Report post Posted January 7, 2015 fine leather working.com has edge paint 4 ounces for 18. It says in the description it is concentrated and used in high end brands. Could be relabelled stahl edge paint. One question to yoji - did you get any info about how long the paint will last before it expires. I read from another member 1 year until it expires although I'm not sure on his source of info. I contacted stahl.com and they will be replying shortly. They have representatives in USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoji Report post Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) hi yigi, i live in europe, Germany i have been looking for this Stahl paint for a long time, do you know from where can i order it? hi kidinsky, well i was looking for it for a long time also and stumbled upon a guy in a tannery, long story short he got me the right guy to talk to and i took a flight inside europe just to go and see him and to get some of this paint. unfortunately the guy is not suppose to sell it to anyone. the stahl paint that hermes uses is not the regular stahl edge paint. they make it specially for them. I bought enough to my self and and got some for people who contacted me and asked for some paint. If you are interested i will be flying to probably within the next two months. and i might get some for you also. let me know if you are interested. Take into consideration that i cant get my hands on for more than couple of liters at most. fine leather working.com has edge paint 4 ounces for 18. It says in the description it is concentrated and used in high end brands. Could be relabelled stahl edge paint. One question to yoji - did you get any info about how long the paint will last before it expires. I read from another member 1 year until it expires although I'm not sure on his source of info. I contacted stahl.com and they will be replying shortly. They have representatives in USA. well i have not tried their product so no idea on that. But i have tried lots of rebranded products and most of the time it is just fenice plus (the thicker) paint. But fine leather working.com does sell quality products so maybe they are selling the regular stahl edge paint. I reaaaaaaaaly dont think that they were able to get their hands on the hermes edge paint and selling it. I think that i have contacted probably every distributor of stahl all over the world and probably they have all blacklisted me already ))))) , and recently got invited to stahl master workshop in france specificly for the edge finishing, apperantly they are having a sort of seminar about edge finishing. it is going to be 4 days and i am still thinking to go or not.. anyway, getting the stahl edge finishing product is really not a problem at all, you can get it in US for sure. You should be able to get it from the leather industry suppliers it is a generic product. not bad at all. tried it, but it is just not working good enough with hot glazing. it just burns out quickly and peels when you make more than one layer. it is designed to be applied by machine in one pass. Edited January 7, 2015 by yoji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eemo Report post Posted February 15, 2015 Hey, Do you know what is the product number or ID for the Stahl paint? thanks, Eero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shantiandd Report post Posted October 8, 2015 Hi yigi, I was searching for the Stahl paint for a long time. I am living in Japan.. .I don't know if I could still order from you?if so, do you know how much the shipping cost would be probably...cuz it is international shipping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunlake Report post Posted November 10, 2015 hi yoji, Thanks for this detailed information. I have tried some products from Fiebing's and Fenice, but never satisfied. I live in Germany, can i order some Stahl edge paint form you? thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malchik Report post Posted December 10, 2015 What to say, people gets obsessed what the big one uses (have been in this train as well) forgetting that the most important is how to use it. Thick paints are intended for use in edge machines and usually doesn't works well with electric creasers and hot edge treatment. Hermés uses a lot of machinery, also edge paint machines, so what Hermés uses it's a broad term. If you are doing edge finish by hand and your technique demands use of hot edging (i.e. edge durability) like in the case of Hermés bags, than you have to use edge paint with less viscosity enabling paint to penetrate deeper into the edge. By applying hot iron treatment, the layer of paint melts down producing strongest bond you can get (much stronger than with thick paint). Regarding how many layers you need for neat edge, I usually need 2 or 3 to make a perfect edge both with Tandy Professional Edge (Fenice), Giardini semi dense matt and Vernis 600. The trick is to make edge layers as even as possible, lightly sanded, before you apply the paint. Those three mentioned paints are pretty similar in the final result and in terms of durability. Giardini (cooperates with Stahl) and Fenice are by my opinion acrylics, but for vernis 600 I'm not sure, it doesn't appears as an acrylic. Real difference is temperature of hot iron required to melt down the paint (V600 requires higher)... So, morale of the story is don't get blinded what Big Names uses, find what works for you best Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjmt Report post Posted December 11, 2015 What to say, people gets obsessed what the big one uses (have been in this train as well) forgetting that the most important is how to use it. Thick paints are intended for use in edge machines and usually doesn't works well with electric creasers and hot edge treatment. Hermés uses a lot of machinery, also edge paint machines, so what Hermés uses it's a broad term. If you are doing edge finish by hand and your technique demands use of hot edging (i.e. edge durability) like in the case of Hermés bags, than you have to use edge paint with less viscosity enabling paint to penetrate deeper into the edge. By applying hot iron treatment, the layer of paint melts down producing strongest bond you can get (much stronger than with thick paint). Regarding how many layers you need for neat edge, I usually need 2 or 3 to make a perfect edge both with Tandy Professional Edge (Fenice), Giardini semi dense matt and Vernis 600. The trick is to make edge layers as even as possible, lightly sanded, before you apply the paint. Those three mentioned paints are pretty similar in the final result and in terms of durability. Giardini (cooperates with Stahl) and Fenice are by my opinion acrylics, but for vernis 600 I'm not sure, it doesn't appears as an acrylic. Real difference is temperature of hot iron required to melt down the paint (V600 requires higher)... So, morale of the story is don't get blinded what Big Names uses, find what works for you best Lots of good sense here! Charlie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atelieramyroke Report post Posted November 8, 2016 Hi guys, This is Atelier Amy Roke. I found this post and saw that people are looking for Stahl heatable edge paint using by Hermes. We just got the sole distribution on this product and would like to provide service to you guys. We have 200ml package in Black, Dark Brown, Grey, Red, Blue,Yellow and White. All color is mixable. If you guys decided to purchase more than 5kg at once, the postage fee will be cheaper. You can view our website www.atelieramyroke.com for more information! Or please feel free to contact us by atelieramyroke@hotmail.com Many thanks and look to hear from you soon. =) Best regards, AAR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 Report post Posted November 8, 2016 7 hours ago, atelieramyroke said: Hi guys, This is Atelier Amy Roke. I found this post and saw that people are looking for Stahl heatable edge paint using by Hermes. We just got the sole distribution on this product and would like to provide service to you guys. We have 200ml package in Black, Dark Brown, Grey, Red, Blue,Yellow and White. All color is mixable. If you guys decided to purchase more than 5kg at once, the postage fee will be cheaper. You can view our website www.atelieramyroke.com for more information! Or please feel free to contact us by atelieramyroke@hotmail.com Many thanks and look to hear from you soon. =) Best regards, AAR The paint looks great. The page on your site has pictures over the text. So, we can't see prices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atelieramyroke Report post Posted November 12, 2016 On 2016/11/9 at 6:17 AM, bikermutt07 said: The paint looks great. The page on your site has pictures over the text. So, we can't see prices. Hi, You need to use computer to view the website. =) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panchoskywalker Report post Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Has anyone tried tis edge paint? Is it really from outer space? Is Giardini also heatable? Or this is the only one. Edited November 29, 2016 by panchoskywalker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lalumiere Report post Posted December 1, 2017 On 12/3/2014 at 2:26 AM, yoji said: thefanninator: when i first ordered the fenice edge paint plus (the thicker viscosity) from cambpell i was sure that it was going to satisfy my needs but as you have indicated i found that it takes too many coats to get the desired effect. I don't even want to think how the non "plus" version is. However i find that the fenice product is great quality wise, but it was not what i needed. sometimes i have larger orderes and i don't have the time to play around with 5-6 coats of paint. Even though i fabricated (DIY) a drying oven it still takes too many time. If this product is going to be like my contact indicated so this will be a great timesaver no, I am not from the US, it should be clear from my english. LOL I will be flying back with the products, but for those who are interested to get some i will be sending them from there. Frankly i was sure that there will be way more interest on it since there are a lot of interest on it from what i see. looks like folks are pretty satisfied with the fenice results.. maybe we are not the smart ones here 6 coats?! I use Fenice plus 3 coats, heat, and sand and looks as good it not better than Hermes...alot of their edges are trash..sewing too these days. It may be your technique and not the edge paint. I also use uniters at times and only takes 3 coats max...3 layers is on stuff that's 4 to 5 layers...someyhings only need 3 in order to be seamless. Make sure your edge is flawless before painting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
