Members stickandtin Posted October 6, 2015 Author Members Report Posted October 6, 2015 Thanks everyone for all the guidance. Yes, I would prefer a machine that works, not one that would only be a decoration. Out of curiosity, I watched some youtube videos on older Adler and Singer patchers. I can see why a lot of people find them handy to have around. Pretty cool how you can swivel the foot around and sew in any direction. Since posting this thread I have also come across an old Singer 29-4 and a black Adler 30-1. Seller asking $500 for the Singer and other seller says make offer on the Adler. Several people have commented on how expensive Adler parts are vs. Singer parts. Can you give me some examples. Thanks. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted October 6, 2015 Members Report Posted October 6, 2015 Sure! My favorite examples are: Singer 29K71 needle bar 25 GBP in the UK - thats about $38 https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/82031-NEEDLE-BAR-COMPLETE-SINGER-29K-71 Singer 29K71 shuttle carrier for 25.40 GBP in the UK - thats about $38.60 https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/82177%3dCA29-8605-SHUTTLE-CARRIER-SINGER-29K-TOWA Adler 30-1 needle bar for Adler 30-1 321.73€ Germany - thats about $361 http://www.wdn.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A%20%2013827 Adler 30-1 shuttle carrier for 265.24€ in Germany - thats about $297.50 http://www.wdn.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A%20%2015246 The Adler prices for spare parts are ridicules! Keep in mind that the 29-4 (w/o K suffix) is an US made machine and is for sure several decades old and not all parts from the more modern 29K71 will fir for the older 29-4 or 29K4 I´d recommend a 29K patcher in the 60´s or 70´s sub class but these are for sure harder to find. You for sure can find many threads about Singer and Adler patchers here in the forum - basically the stitch length is an good indicator for how worn a machine is. When new they produce 5 stitches per inch (Singer 29K and Adler 30). But I would not buy a patcher when the produce more than 6 or 6.5 stitches per inch except you can live with these short stitches. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members stickandtin Posted October 6, 2015 Author Members Report Posted October 6, 2015 Thanks for the price comprisons. Unbelievable how much more expensive Adler parts are. Quote
Kohlrausch Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) The Adler prices for spare parts are ridicules! Well, to make this a fair comparison one would have to add that these were not original Singer parts but far east knock offs. They are not available for all Singer 29s, at least not specified as such by the sellers. The Singer 29 knock off parts I have bought off College Sewing fit into my Adler 30-1 with no problem, but I have also heard from people, who couln't even make College Sewing parts to fit into the machine that they were specified for. And these guys were no tinkerers but (leatherworking) sewing machine professionals. I'ld go with the better stitcher. Ask the sellers to set maximum stitchlength, let it punch 11 holes and measure the distance between first and last hole. Should be two inches. If it is two inches, buy immediatlely - the machine ist good. If it's between 1 3/8" an 1 37/64" (don't these fractions drive you crazy?) it's worth asking for a reduction, if you can live with the stitchlength. Anything less is asking for trouble. There may be more parts worn out than fixing solutions have been postet on the internet. I know, because I have a not yet publicly documented wear problem reducing stichtes to 8 spi. Greets Ralf C. Edited October 6, 2015 by Kohlrausch Quote
Members shoepatcher Posted October 6, 2015 Members Report Posted October 6, 2015 To let everyone know, that is a Durkopp shoe patcher, either a 17 or 18 class. They use either system 81 or system 88 needles. There are no parts being made today that I know of anywhere. Hitler seized the company in 1933 and turned it into a bayonet factory. It was bombed in 1942 or 43' and destroyed. Durkopp never again made the shoepatcher until they bought Adler. In fact, the 30 class Adlers today are no even made by Adler. Rather, they are made under contract to Adler by another Germany company. That is one reason parts are so damn expensive!!! I hope to do something on Adler 30 class parts when I retire in 2 years. I also want to look at Durkopp and Bradbury parts. I have some parts now for the 30 class Adler's that are no longer made. glenn Quote
Members stickandtin Posted October 7, 2015 Author Members Report Posted October 7, 2015 I love this forum! Quote
Members pcox Posted October 23, 2015 Members Report Posted October 23, 2015 I have a 17 and it is a good machine but there are no parts anywhere. I made 5 parts for mine. It now has a singer 29 hook and bobbin but that has to be fit by hand not for most people. I would not pay half that much for it. Quote
Members stickandtin Posted October 23, 2015 Author Members Report Posted October 23, 2015 I don't know the first thing about sewing machine mechanics or making modifications to them. After the advice I got from everyone here, I passed on the machine. Quote
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