Questions about "Vinegaroon"

[Rhome]

Beautiful gear, Rhome!

Thank You Bruce, I really enjoy your holsters, you do some awsome work !!!!

[andymanak]

This is a completely new idea to me so I decided to mix up a small batch to test on a few items I am working on.

I just took about a half a liter of distilled white vinegar and added a handful of rusty springs.

After about a half an hour I checked back in on it and no reaction or change at all seemed to be happening. I decided to up the temperature a bit to see if that helped and after about 2 minutes in a hot water bath the springs were covered in bubbles and gas was steadily being released. So as far as I can tell warmer conditions promote a more rapid result for making Vinegaroon.

I might be wrong though considering this is my first time, I guess I could talk to my chemistry instructors but I loathe chemistry.

[MatthewD]

yes the reaction will speed up as you warm it

Rates of Reaction will also speed up if you stir it while heating

I teach chem in HS...

[andymanak]

yes the reaction will speed up as you warm it

Rates of Reaction will also speed up if you stir it while heating

I teach chem in HS...

Thanks Matthew!

I can picture everyone in colder states than I leaving it in their cold garage or shed and getting minimal results even after a week.

Hopefully mine will be ready before that, maybe even after I fail my chem final tonight

[tashabear]

Thanks Matthew!

I can picture everyone in colder states than I leaving it in their cold garage or shed and getting minimal results even after a week.

Hopefully mine will be ready before that, maybe even after I fail my chem final tonight

Maybe it depends on what you use for a source of rust. I used steel wool, and got a reaction quite quickly. A friend of mine is a machinist, and he and his girlfriend used shavings and filings from when he drilled out some steel, and they fizzed right up and gave them a good mixture. Maybe there isn't enough rust for the volume of vinegar you're using.

[andymanak]

Maybe it depends on what you use for a source of rust. I used steel wool, and got a reaction quite quickly. A friend of mine is a machinist, and he and his girlfriend used shavings and filings from when he drilled out some steel, and they fizzed right up and gave them a good mixture. Maybe there isn't enough rust for the volume of vinegar you're using.

Smaller particles like shavings will have more surface area with rust, so if I had steel wool lying around it would have been faster. The springs I have are rather small and there are quite a few of them in there so I think it should be enough.. if not I still have plenty more I can use.

[tashabear]

Smaller particles like shavings will have more surface area with rust, so if I had steel wool lying around it would have been faster. The springs I have are rather small and there are quite a few of them in there so I think it should be enough.. if not I still have plenty more I can use.

If it helps, I got a box of no-soap Brillo pads at the grocery store for something like $0.79.

[MatthewD]

LOL.. now I know I might have to add this to one of my labs on chemical reactions that my class is going to do in the next semester.. along with chemical copper plating

[tashabear]

LOL.. now I know I might have to add this to one of my labs on chemical reactions that my class is going to do in the next semester.. along with chemical copper plating

I should suggest this to my cousin -- he teaches HS chemistry, too.

[Bree]

Since I did these holsters in vinegaroon I do them all in it, works for me.

Shoot... the leather on those holsters looks so good that now I'm gonna have to try this method for sure. Back to brewing up stuff in the basement. I feel like I'm going back to the 60's!

Edit: Ok if I'm gonna fool with this stuff I want to know what I'm dealing with. Here is the MSDS sheet on Ferric Acetate.

http://www.pfaltzandbauer.com/data/uploade...MSDS-072506.pdf

And here is an interesting little article about some scientists who were trying to brew up their own batch to stain some chromosomes. It shows the chemistry and some interesting things about process steps and soluability.

http://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ppv/RPV...p;startPage=527

OK I used to be the curator of the chemistry lab at a University. I am not a chemist but I always like fooling with chemicals!! In the labs I learned that this can be a passion that can get you into trouble very fast. So be careful!! Ordinary things can quickly become extraordinary.

Edited December 16, 2008 by Bree