Machine Learning Curve

[JimTimber]

Would there really be 6-8 distributors of the 441 clones if they were overly problematic?  Same design in continuous production for 30 years - bad?

Some people struggle with getting them dialed in more than others, some people who are struggling don't post about it online too.  I'd argue most people understand that you're going to need to make some test seams when changing materials and thread, and it might take a couple dozen 2" tests to get the thread/needle/stitch length/tension all in harmony before you're able to "sew" your part.  If that part is only 6" of stitching in super thin leather, you might have gotten it done faster by hand vs getting the machine dialed in to bury the knots in a lockstitch (sometimes the work is unforgiving like that).

I have a 441 clone, and I have had material(s) that didn't want to play nice for me.  I didn't post about it because I knew some part of my configuration was responsible (ended up being the thread and needle size I was using were incompatible in that leather).  I find it an easy machine to use, and most of the time it takes very little adjustment before it's making great stitches.

As Wiz has said in other threads; the 441 is really in it's sweet spot on thicker materials.  Not that it can't sew a 69 thread and 500D fabrics (I've done it, and it did great), but that it's not as good in the lighter stuff as a bed type machine which is made to sew those weights (at faster rates, no less).  I'm glad I have two different machines.  My 441 will never sew two layers of canvas with the speed of my Singer 211G.

[Doc Reaper]

I have the Cowboy 4500, glad I have it, it's easy to learn how to sew but it's involved when you are just starting out

[Earl Ash]

My two cents. I use the Boss. I like it, some don't. You are in Michigan. As has been stated, take your materials and go see Bob at Toledo Machine. You will leave with something that works for you, new or used. He will take good care of you.