Don't waste your time. Stay with Rob. I had nothing but issues with botach. I was gonna place a 18 gun order from them. But wanted to test there service so bought one. It was back ordered. Okay no problem I try calling no answer leave a message on there voice mail waited 5 days nothing called them again nothing. So I called everyday for the next 3 days no answer no return calls nothing. Only way to get ahold of these people is via email. I will never buy from botach again. Pay the extra money for robs quality service. Plus support a forum member not a CEO..