aint even started to get hot just telling it like i see it ,the pans i use are molded in a way that people find them more comfortable then padded seats .you should NOT jude a book by a cover especially compared to one that was written buy another person but has the same cover ya know, i got 18 inch apes and a suicide shift also got problems with that? im not a hard guy to get along with just hate being categorized with the majority of bikers today, live life for youself and be your self and judge only your self, you know,chain