Contributing Member Jordan Posted November 1, 2007 Contributing Member Report Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) we live is a world with alot of people, alot of them are not very nice and want to take what another person has, including thier life, by any means at their disposal. These people do not care about any laws on the books in any country in the world. I personally feel more comfortable having a weapon that I can use to protect myself, my wife, my children and my property when someone is trying to take it away without my permission. Unfortunately it is not effective on the worst offenders of all, Politicians they seem to want to take everything away from everyone to line their own pockets, it's not enough for them that they get a free ride condoned by the voters. Added... after more thought on the issue all political ramblings aside... A gun is a tool as any other, it has a specific use to get a job done, the improper use of any tool can result in injury, catastrophic on occassion. It is ultimately up to the individual to know the limitations of thier knowlege and that of the tool and get the proper training in the use of said tool wheather it is a headknife or a handgun. Edited November 1, 2007 by Jordan Quote
Ambassador leatheroo Posted November 1, 2007 Author Ambassador Report Posted November 1, 2007 Very interesting and heated replies as i expected. Quote "]http://leatheroo.blogspot
Contributing Member wolvenstien Posted November 1, 2007 Contributing Member Report Posted November 1, 2007 I think if we put the criminal aspect into prospective, and look at it like this.... We here in the US (I cannot speak for other countries) remove our criminals and place them all together. While they are in these prisons, they are still able to get guns. They get any weapon they can afford and when they cannot afford a gun or something else, they make their own weapons. These are used for both protection and offensive purposes. I have see guns and other weapons in prisons. Now these people have been taken out of society and there not a gun store around the corner, but they are still able to get them. If our society bans weapons form the general public, they will not be banning them from the people who truly want to have them. And to be totally honest, if they were to be banned, I would still own and keep mine, and maybe continue to have my collection grow. If I want to kill someone, all banning guns and knives does is take the convenience away from me. I can use anything else including my bare hands to do it. The only thing taking the convenience away does is allow some "passion" murders time to cool off while they are looking for a means of committing the murder.... But then again, most crimes of passion are done using something at hand, a frying pan, a lamp, a push down the stairs, driving a car off a bridge..... As for suicides with firearms.... again, an act of passion for the most part, and the convenience of the gun is all it is... most people who commit suicide with a gun did not just go out to purchase the gun for this occasion.... they already owned it or had access to it. Other wise they would use a different method.... like illegal pills and booze, or a rope, or toaster in the tub or whatever they see as not being too scary. Just my 2cents.... And not to flame or bash you Roo, I have friends who have never been around firearms and have been raised to have the same views as you.... kind of reminds me of the prudes I grew up around with their views on sex and people of color.... Its just that they know no better... Quote "The miracle is not how two adults can create a child, the phenomenon is how quickly a child can create two adults." -- VYBE Her: Hit Me Him: Do you want me to use the knife? Her: No, When you hit with a knife, that's STABBING!
Ambassador leatheroo Posted November 1, 2007 Author Ambassador Report Posted November 1, 2007 What i am trying to understand wolve is why do you feel the need to own guns? Are you a target shooter or hunter? Or do you feel the need to own guns for personal protection? Quote "]http://leatheroo.blogspot
Members dsenette Posted November 1, 2007 Members Report Posted November 1, 2007 personally...i don't own any guns (the wife would freak out)....but i would like to....there's something relaxing about target shooting....and there's deffinitely something comforting about having one available for personal protection if the need should arise Quote "We are all blind men touching an elephant. Each with a different view. It's only when we compare our experiences that we can truly know the complete picture" ~ Buddhist proverb
Ambassador leatheroo Posted November 1, 2007 Author Ambassador Report Posted November 1, 2007 Maybe this is a female thing, i notice there have been no replies from women. Quote "]http://leatheroo.blogspot
Members dsenette Posted November 1, 2007 Members Report Posted November 1, 2007 well...there are probably more women who are made uneasy by guns...but there are ALOT of female gun owners in the states...and ALOT of the best target shooters are women... Quote "We are all blind men touching an elephant. Each with a different view. It's only when we compare our experiences that we can truly know the complete picture" ~ Buddhist proverb
Moderator Art Posted November 1, 2007 Moderator Report Posted November 1, 2007 Hi Leatheroo, There is a movie "Red Dawn" (circa 1984), watch it, your questions will be answered. We need an Army (Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard) to protect our country from outside, if they come here WE the People will take care of that. You just have to understand Yanks. Art What i am trying to understand wolve is why do you feel the need to own guns? Are you a target shooter or hunter? Or do you feel the need to own guns for personal protection? Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members Washroad Posted November 1, 2007 Members Report Posted November 1, 2007 I am a legal gun owner. I had to jump through several state and federal hoops to purchase them, including passing some safety tests, law knowledge, etc. In the U.S., every state has different gun laws. Nevada and Arizona are both "open carry" states, meaning, as long as it's visible you can carry a loaded gun in public. I don't see too many people doing it, but it has never bothered me. I live in California. Our laws are much more restrictive. I do a lot of camping in the desert near the Mexico border. There is a criminal element there and not a lot of leos (law enforcement officers). I applied for a "concealed carry" permit and was turned down. I have decided to ignore the law, I carry a gun(s) in my motorhome when traveling. (When parked and the keys removed from the ignition, my motorhome becomes my residence and I am legally allowed to have a loaded gun in it.) There have been shootings out there, Border Patrol chasing coyotes (human taffickers), drug smugglers. I'm much more comfortable knowing I can defend myself (plus, I camp with several other people that are armed including combat veteran Marines). It just makes much more sense to be armed than not. It's part of American culture, and, in the past, part of Australian culture as well. Being a 5th generation "westerner" I have an inhiert dislike of govmint. I have read that statistically, crime has increased in Australia because the public can't defend itself, and criminals know this, but hey, statistics only prove themselves. Criminals never care about laws, ethics, morals. If you don't like guns, that's quite alright with me. I don't like asparagus and refuse to eat it. In the meantime, did you see that absolutely beautiful holster set "lasso" made???? And he sent it to England!? Quote Brian It's YOUR life; rise up and LIVE it!
Members Randy Cornelius Posted November 1, 2007 Members Report Posted November 1, 2007 Our for fathers came from countries like yours were gun ownership was repressed. It was for that reason the 2nd Ammenment was the second most importaint thing to them when they wrote the US constitution. "The right of the people to keep and bare arms" God created man, Col. Colt made them equal... No ones going to convince her... Randy Quote Randy Cornelius Cornelius Saddlery LaCygne, Kansas Randy & Riley Cornelius Ride Hard, Shoot Fast and Always Tell the Truth...
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