Almost there with a Juki LS 1341

[toxo]

I keep looking at this one but it is pre owned. Is there any way to tell if it's Chinese or Japanese? Also the "hump jumper" is missing from the top. Is this significant? Apart from that, the only nit-pick is the top bobbin instead of the side bobbin but I can live with that.

Comes with 90 days on the machine and a year on the servo. Come on guys help me get over the hump.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175861103293?hash=item28f2237abd:g:hgMAAOSwJIZiQyzI&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwIPx6eN7hRV0r98Sn3TLxdubyhzLxsobf23NNNUHTXK%2BN4cksh7HKggU0%2BPFyrDVr29fv%2BUYpisMNmYoEkdVoi8NaxHzyt36%2Fgys1eSIBSmmpcKIhByH5GWTjSE%2FyLgrs%2F5T0orpRjH2FXQlneqOUVMPUPWccsx0%2FVoOYh9nX%2BTR3yeITOueYCgwgbCTyk27UHEkpG0s3H7ckHib5LhfAc6vV270rRndK%2FytU29GsI3E%2FuTZCm490OeX8PluqwHAPQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6Sy_ZSVYw

[kgg]

7 hours ago, toxo said:

Is there any way to tell if it's Chinese or Japanese?

The nameplate should say where it is made or email Juki to confirm that it is made in Japan to be 100 percent sure.

7 hours ago, toxo said:

Also the "hump jumper" is missing from the top. Is this significant?

The "hump jumper" as you call it is only available on the Juki LS-1342.

I would ask if the timing belt has been changed or a photo of the timing belt condition.

Is the seller close to you so you could see it running?

kgg

 

[toxo]

23 hours ago, kgg said:

The nameplate should say where it is made or email Juki to confirm that it is made in Japan to be 100 percent sure.

The "hump jumper" as you call it is only available on the Juki LS-1342.

I would ask if the timing belt has been changed or a photo of the timing belt condition.

Is the seller close to you so you could see it running?

kgg

 

I'm annoyed now. I replied to this at least once and there's nothing there. I'll try again.

Confusion is reigning in my head. It would seem that The Juki LS 1341 is the only one that doesn't have the hump jumper. ALL of the clones have it. And now I've just found a clone in London (driveable) that says it's a 1342 with the H/J. What's the difference between the 1341 and the 1342? And is the H/J significant. I remember someone saying they loved it so much they'd never be without it!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143959379246?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230906152218%26meid%3D8c272c72c6fe45e4a2d7476e2542c26f%26pid%3D101817%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D143959379246%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DPersonalizedTopicsV2WithDynamicSizeRanker&_trksid=p4375194.c101817.m47269&_trkparms=parentrq%3Ab02daaf618c0ab9c8cc20d9efffd5f34|pageci%3A0b783268-a574-11ee-bbe3-be5b84e0e8ed|iid%3A2|vlpname%3Avlp_homepage

Looked up this site which suggests that the 1342 has a vertical access hook! Does it?

https://jukiindustrial.co.uk/product-category/juki-industrial-sewing-machines/1needle-lockstitch/page/2/

[kgg]

5 hours ago, toxo said:

Looked up this site which suggests that the 1342 has a vertical access hook! Does it?

Yes the hook and bobbin areas are the same whether it is a LS-1341 or 1342. Clones maybe different.

5 hours ago, toxo said:

What's the difference between the 1341 and the 1342?

The main differences are: i)  LS-1341 has a longer feed dog area thus larger gauge ii) LS-1342 has a smaller feed dog area which is probably better for smaller items like bags iii) LS-1342 has what you call the "hump jumper". Only you can say if the hump jumper will be worth the extra cost for your items. I think if you are going to be sewing at close to 9.5 or slightly over thick material the LS series of machine may not be the best option.

How thick including the thickness of the seam are you planning on sewing?

kgg

Edited December 28, 2023 by kgg

[toxo]

So is this a 1341 or a 1342?

https://thorsewingmachines.com/index.php/product/thor-gc-1341-cylinder-arm-walking-foot-sewing-machine-for-leather-upholstery-and-heavy-weight-materials/

All the 1341 clones seem to have the H/J.

This one is labelled 1342 but doesn't show the narrower throat plate. I think I'll plan a trip to London next week to look at this one. If this one handles v92 and up ok it might be a front runner.

I'll visit my leather shops whilst I'm there.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143959379246

Not sure where the Techsew 4800 pro comes.

[kgg]

3 hours ago, toxo said:

So is this a 1341 or a 1342?

 

3 hours ago, toxo said:

Not sure where the Techsew 4800 pro comes.

They appear to be sort of clones of the LS-1341 (front throat plate assembly) with the "hump jumper" installed.

3 hours ago, toxo said:

If this one handles v92 and up ok it might be a front runner.

They should handle V138 for the top thread and in the bobbin. However keep in mind the Juki LS-1340 series is rated to take a #24 (180) needle and V138 on top and bottom in it's max sewing thickness. Some clones rate their machines on what is the max size of thread that can be stuffed through the needle.

In the case of the Wilcox & Gibb according to the link you referenced it is rated to take a #26 (220) which can handle V346 thread yet it is only rated to handle a max size thread of #8 (V138).

The Thor link only referenced Tex 207 (V210) thread not the needle size.

The Techsew website for the 4800 lists it can handle V277 with a #24 needle. I think this maybe an error as if I'm not mistaken a #24 can handle only handle V207 thread.

3 hours ago, toxo said:

If this one handles v92 and up ok it might be a front runner.

What size of thread are you wanting to use?

When you go to see a machine bring the thickest thread you want along with the thickest / toughest material you want to sew. That will be the tell tale.

Remember Buy Once, Cry Once.

kgg

[toxo]

2 hours ago, kgg said:

 

They appear to be sort of clones of the LS-1341 (front throat plate assembly) with the "hump jumper" installed.

They should handle V138 for the top thread and in the bobbin. However keep in mind the Juki LS-1340 series is rated to take a #24 (180) needle and V138 on top and bottom in it's max sewing thickness. Some clones rate their machines on what is the max size of thread that can be stuffed through the needle.

In the case of the Wilcox & Gibb according to the link you referenced it is rated to take a #26 (220) which can handle V346 thread yet it is only rated to handle a max size thread of #8 (V138).

The Thor link only referenced Tex 207 (V210) thread not the needle size.

The Techsew website for the 4800 lists it can handle V277 with a #24 needle. I think this maybe an error as if I'm not mistaken a #24 can handle only handle V207 thread.

What size of thread are you wanting to use?

When you go to see a machine bring the thickest thread you want along with the thickest / toughest material you want to sew. That will be the tell tale.

Remember Buy Once, Cry Once.

kgg

Thanks kgg. I think they do it to confuse.

After all the reading I was happy to see the Wilcox 1342 was in London because I can go and try it. No better way to buy a machine. I make bags so I don't envisage going much more than 138 unless I want to and there's the rub. Better to have the capability and not need it because you don't know what's around the corner.

[kgg]

5 hours ago, toxo said:

Thanks kgg. I think they do it to confuse.

I do agree. It can be very confusing particularly for first time buyers trying to compare clone machines from different suppliers let alone what they have named their machine or their capability or what brand name model they are close to. The difference mostly is who will give you the best before and after sales service. A trend I am seeing is "fresh off the boat" sales where the dealer doesn't even open the box before selling and passing over the machine which isn't a bad thing as long as the price is reflective.

kgg

[Wizcrafts]

6 hours ago, kgg said:

I do agree. It can be very confusing particularly for first time buyers trying to compare clone machines from different suppliers let alone what they have named their machine or their capability or what brand name model they are close to. The difference mostly is who will give you the best before and after sales service. A trend I am seeing is "fresh off the boat" sales where the dealer doesn't even open the box before selling and passing over the machine which isn't a bad thing as long as the price is reflective.

kgg

As I've been told by people who've bought sewing machines directly from the Orient, the unboxing, clean-up (degreasing, removal of metal shavings) and assembly can take quite a while. Then, one has to do the timing and dial in the machine so it actually sews in both directions at its maximum capacity. This only makes sense if one has tools and knowledge of setting up these machines and the time to put into it.

I don't know how often it happens, but if any required parts are missing, you may have to wait for the next low boat from China to get them, or buy them elsewhere.

[toxo]

10 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

As I've been told by people who've bought sewing machines directly from the Orient, the unboxing, clean-up (degreasing, removal of metal shavings) and assembly can take quite a while. Then, one has to do the timing and dial in the machine so it actually sews in both directions at its maximum capacity. This only makes sense if one has tools and knowledge of setting up these machines and the time to put into it.

I don't know how often it happens, but if any required parts are missing, you may have to wait for the next low boat from China to get them, or buy them elsewhere.

I do admire your loyalty to "0wn brands" Wiz and I daresay what you're saying is the case sometimes but I spoke to the dealer of the Wilcox & Gibbs 1342 today. He's in London (about 30 miles away). He doesn't have one built at the moment but will have one done next week for me to go and try. He does have a 1341 ready made that I can try whilst I'm there. I must say it feels better finding one near enough to drive to and test.

[toxo]

Update!

First it was the same as the Juki 1342. Then the stitch length is 11mm (Juki is 6mm) The front throat plate is the same as the 1341 not the 1342. He's telling me that's a special order and very expensive. He's told me all their servos are 750s but his Ebay add says 1000W. I really don't know where I am. I'm never gonna use an 11mm stitch length and I imagine if the hump jumper was crucial then Juki would've included it in the 1341.

So, this new W&G 1342 @ £1899 plus delivery or the used Juki 1341 @ £1450 plus delivery? Thoughts please peeps?

These discrepancies may well be simple confusion. I'm gonna go see a couple of my leather shops in London on Monday so it won't hurt to look at the W&G. I've asked him for the full specification of the 1342. He hasn't come back yet. I won't go if I don't get it.

The W&G guy also has a 341 which i've pretty much discounted.

[kgg]

 

5 hours ago, toxo said:

I'm gonna go see a couple of my leather shops in London on Monday so it won't hurt to look at the W&G. I've asked him for the full specification of the 1342. He hasn't come back yet. I won't go if I don't get it.

Visiting some shops would probably be the best thing. Visiting the W&G shop maybe a waste of time as his clone version of the 1342 is a "special" order so they probably don't have one in the shop.

kgg

[toxo]

1 hour ago, kgg said:

 

Visiting some shops would probably be the best thing. Visiting the W&G shop maybe a waste of time as his clone version of the 1342 is a "special" order so they probably don't have one in the shop.

kgg

He says he'll unbox one today and get it set up for tomorrow. His Ebay add says specification is the same as the Juki LU 1342. I can find no mention on the Juki site of a Juki LU 1342.

Should I be worried about all these anomalies or should I just go and test the thing? What concerns me though is, if the max stitch length is 11mm is it gonna go down to the lightweight bag/wallet range?

[kgg]

55 minutes ago, toxo said:

I can find no mention on the Juki site of a Juki LU 1342

He must have mistyped "U" instead of "S". Juki does make a LU series in a flatbed. Here is the link to the LS-1340 series (LS-1340, 1341, 1342, 1342-7 ) brochure from Juki Japan with the specs and the differences.

https://www.juki.co.jp/industrial_e/admin/pdata/filedata/332/ls1340.pdf

I'm not sure how they are getting the 11mm stitch length unless they are including the max "hump jump" allowance.

I would ask, nicely:

i) to show you the 11mm stitch length with V138 and how they get it to that in what thickness, max or minimum.

ii) show you the manuals for installation and parts.

iii) to show you that the machine can actually take a #26 (220 metric) 135 X 16 or 17 needle and sew with it. I have never seen a 135 x 16 or 17 in size #26. 

iv) who the actual clone manufacturer is or at least which country Taiwan or China.

I would take a look, nothing ventured nothing gained. If you don't get a good feeling about the vendor, need to take a shower afterwards, or the machine move on.

kgg