Financial Rape and Plunder of the World

[TexasJack]

I still hold out hope that we may secede and put things where they should be - at least for a small corner of the world.

I suppose every generation thinks the world has gone insane. You'd have to work pretty hard to convince me that it hasn't gone insane now.

Looking back at my ancestors, they had some pretty rough spells to get through. Depressions, food shortages, wars - and I mean close up and personal wars, not just those on the other end of the planet. Sometimes surviving is all you can really hope to do.

I must tell y'all that the one thing that scares me more than anything else right now is that the government can use the term "nationalize" and no one but me seems to understand that means giving up a piece of our freedom. They can spend trillions of dollars and no body seems to care that we'll have to pay that all back with interest. (Well, they care, but only about whether or not they can get in line for the handout.) Billions of $$ disappear, and no one in the government - regardless of party - is calling for investigations. (Tells me that when you throw back the sheets, you'll find a few Congressmen in bed with the bad guys!) If nobody is scared about what power is being turned over to a handful of people, how easy will it be for them to destroy us??

The country has voted to become socialist. Please remember that 'Nazi' is short for National Socialist Party. When you give the government control of everything, they can decide to do whatever they want with you.

e.e. cummings wrote, "This is the way the world will end, not with a bang but a whimper."

[TexasJack]

"Who by worry can add one minute to his life?" (Matthew 6:27)

"Gettin' by on gettin' by's my stock in trade

Livin' life day to day

Pickin' up the pieces wherever they fall

Just lettin' it roll, lettin' the high times carry the low

Livin' my life easy come, easy go." (Jerry Jeff Walker)

Hang in there, amigo.

[celticleather]

It's the same the whole world over

It's the poor what gets the blame;

It's the rich what gets the gravy

Ain't it all a bleeding shame?

[whinewine]

e.e. cummings wrote, "This is the way the world will end, not with a bang but a whimper."

"This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper"

'The Hollow men' by T.S. Eliot, not e.e. cummings

[rdb]

I'm old. I get to put my two cents in, whether or not you want to hear it...lol

There seems to be a lot of "Woe is me", and "They all suck" around here. There are some many billions of humans on this planet, and it can be pretty complicated to make things run on an even keel. Everyone has their druthers. You've got the Conspiracy people, the right and lefts, the center, and you can break that down into even more thousands of little tribes.

Tough times, and Good times, come and go. If you have some sort of belief you would be able to survive a Mel Gibson post apocalyptic world, forget it. We either work together, or we all hang together ( someone famous said that). Obstruction, doom and gloom, them vs us, has never, and will never accomplish anything but the destruction of those who purport it. It doesn't even make you feel better, you just end up wallowing it, and making everything look worse.

Personally, I can only do my little part. Making a belt that lasts a little longer than the time it takes to leave the store, or making any little accessory to put a smile on someone's face. Somehow, I think that adds a positive to the whole mix. When people add positives, instead of negatives, it just seems to make the world a little brighter, and better. It's not delusional...it really does work. Look at any snowstorm up North, and watch people who don't normally get along with each other, and how they help each other get through it.

Take this Forum, for another example. We are all learning, sharing, getting along for the most part. I have not seen this kind of positive relationships on ANY board out there. I hope that continues for many, many years.

Remember the old adage: "Never talk religion or politics in a bar".

[Hennessy]

I'm old. I get to put my two cents in, whether or not you want to hear it...lol

There seems to be a lot of "Woe is me", and "They all suck" around here. There are some many billions of humans on this planet, and it can be pretty complicated to make things run on an even keel. Everyone has their druthers. You've got the Conspiracy people, the right and lefts, the center, and you can break that down into even more thousands of little tribes.

Tough times, and Good times, come and go. If you have some sort of belief you would be able to survive a Mel Gibson post apocalyptic world, forget it. We either work together, or we all hang together ( someone famous said that). Obstruction, doom and gloom, them vs us, has never, and will never accomplish anything but the destruction of those who purport it. It doesn't even make you feel better, you just end up wallowing it, and making everything look worse.

Personally, I can only do my little part. Making a belt that lasts a little longer than the time it takes to leave the store, or making any little accessory to put a smile on someone's face. Somehow, I think that adds a positive to the whole mix. When people add positives, instead of negatives, it just seems to make the world a little brighter, and better. It's not delusional...it really does work. Look at any snowstorm up North, and watch people who don't normally get along with each other, and how they help each other get through it.

Take this Forum, for another example. We are all learning, sharing, getting along for the most part. I have not seen this kind of positive relationships on ANY board out there. I hope that continues for many, many years.

Remember the old adage: "Never talk religion or politics in a bar".

"we either work together or we all hang together" said jesse james to the clantons just prior to the northfield minn raid. pete

[Rawhide]

I've resisted long enough...

No one seems to want to say it so I will. Let me preface this by saying that I'm just as nervous and worried about my kid and his kid(s) having to pay for mistakes that we and our parents made. However, no one is saying that this mess we're in is our own fault. No one accepts that we accepted the mortgages that we KNEW we couldn't pay for, we spent money like it was growing in the back yard. We didn't save one damn dime toward a hardship. I'm sorry for everyone that has lost a job. I feel remorse for those who can't pay the next house note, when they didn't bite more than they could handle, yet through the cutbacks at the local plant, they can no longer afford to pay. However, no one is more to blame than us. I don't care who's in charge, it's still our fault.

Stop blaming everyone else for things you can't control...Do what you can to survive, for you and your family. A wise man once told me "you can be on the same track, but you have to be pulling in the same direction". No matter that we got here by being careless...we are here now and we have to be responsible to ourselves and do what we can to fix this mess. I'm not a big fan of politics or government either, but to blame anyone but ourselves is lying to each other. Everyone that blames GW Bush for this is insane, everyone that blames B Obama is insane. Each person that takes that job does what he thinks is best to help right the country. I'd like to see anyone of you take that job and do any better...you can't. The arms of these problems reach much farther than you can imagine. Bottom line...stop bitching and do what you can to help...we're all in this together. To the talking heads: "If you don't like it, leave it...We'd love to have you, but we don't need you...."

[Jordan]

I appreciate all the responses, makes interesting reading and a lot of it is very insightful. I think it is good for people to express these things once in awhile. Gives a bit of clarity in a very muddled world, at least for me. I do agree with the point that everyone blames others for there woes' , human nature and societal conditioning maybe? I think this conversation is more philosophical than political at this point. It shows the diversity of thought but also a thread of commonality that runs through humanity. And hey I like frisbee golf.

[Rawhide]

...And hey I like frisbee golf.

[Jordan]

Just a little addition, I watched the pbs show last night Inside the financial meltdown or something like that. I was amazed at the number of things that lined up over time that when combined, started the ball rolling downhill, kind of like the perfect storm scenario. Add the amazing egos, greed and arrogance of the pro ported smartest financial players and it was inevitable. What I find sad though is the thousands upon thousands of people that thought they were playing by the rules and working hard, are losing so much. While it seems the perps are waddling away with the prize. The last time I frizbee golfed was at the park in pasadena by JPL many moons ago.