Members Go2Tex Posted February 19, 2009 Members Report Posted February 19, 2009 Got an email from a customer who saw one of my saddles on Ebay that I had sold on Ebay back in 2007. It was the exact listing, pictures, description and all. Someone had stolen the pics and description and was attempting to sell another saddle using my old listing. I new that the saddle I made was not being re-sold now so I knew that it was definitely a fraud. I notified Ebay and they pulled that auction. I hope they tracked the guy down and will refer it to the cops, but I doubt they do that. Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
Moderator bruce johnson Posted February 19, 2009 Moderator Report Posted February 19, 2009 Brent, We have had that happen too. I took a saddle in and sold it on ebay. A while later my same pictures and description showed up with someone else as seller. The guy who made the saddle called me and reported it to Ebay and the listing came off. I had the maker's website in the listing for reference. A while later, same deal - same seller. Again reported and came off. The third time it happened I emailed the seller directly. I told him that he was copying my listing and pictures, and I knew that saddle was being used and not sold. He sent me back a deal that he was a volume seller and had something set up to automatically generate and repeat his stock listings monthly. Somehow the listings got crossed up and was generating my pics and description. He removed that one from his "program". We haven't seen it since. Bruce Johnson Malachi 4:2 "the windshield's bigger than the mirror, somewhere west of Laramie" - Dave Stamey Vintage Refurbished And Selected New Leather Tools For Sale - www.brucejohnsonleather.com
Members Go2Tex Posted February 20, 2009 Author Members Report Posted February 20, 2009 Brent, We have had that happen too. I took a saddle in and sold it on ebay. A while later my same pictures and description showed up with someone else as seller. The guy who made the saddle called me and reported it to Ebay and the listing came off. I had the maker's website in the listing for reference. A while later, same deal - same seller. Again reported and came off. The third time it happened I emailed the seller directly. I told him that he was copying my listing and pictures, and I knew that saddle was being used and not sold. He sent me back a deal that he was a volume seller and had something set up to automatically generate and repeat his stock listings monthly. Somehow the listings got crossed up and was generating my pics and description. He removed that one from his "program". We haven't seen it since. Yeah well, this guy is not a power seller. His membership started this month. He's a crook and I'd like to get my hands on his neck. Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
Moderator bruce johnson Posted February 20, 2009 Moderator Report Posted February 20, 2009 Brent, I am not sure our guy wasn't a crook either. There is one bright spot in this deal. Theoretically he can only be paid by PayPal, his money will be held until he gets good feedback, and he can't leave bad feedback for the buyer. Isn't the braintrust of Ebay brilliant?? Bruce Johnson Malachi 4:2 "the windshield's bigger than the mirror, somewhere west of Laramie" - Dave Stamey Vintage Refurbished And Selected New Leather Tools For Sale - www.brucejohnsonleather.com
Members jwwright Posted February 20, 2009 Members Report Posted February 20, 2009 I had the same deal happen with a couple different saddles I sold on Ebay last year. I reported them and both listings came down pretty quick. Brent I saw your saddle and was going to holler at you, but then I checked again and saw that Ebay had pulled it. JW www.jwwrightsaddlery.com
Members Rawhide Posted February 20, 2009 Members Report Posted February 20, 2009 What a scumbag!!! Sorry you had to go through that...but thanks for the warning. People like that should be taken out and....(use your imagination). Marlon
Contributing Member Denise Posted February 20, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 20, 2009 I wonder if there is any way to track and see if this is the same person or not. Three people here with the same problem sounds suspicious to me. Trying to sell fake, very identifiable hand made saddles on Ebay. Can't be a whole lot of people stupid enough to do that, is there? And if it is the same guy, then they could ban him, couldn't they?
Contributing Member TwinOaks Posted February 20, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 20, 2009 With spoofable ISPs and the anonymity of the internet, I don't think it'd do much good, Denise. There'd be better results getting Ebay to turn over his user info (presuming it's real) to a lawyer and going after him for infringement and fraud. If nothing else, the use of someone else's pics/description violates copyrights....I think. Mike ( <-----electrician...not a lawyer) Mike DeLoach Esse Quam Videri (Be rather than Seem) "Don't learn the tricks of the trade.....Learn the trade." "Teach what you know......Learn what you don't." LEATHER ARTISAN'S DIGITAL GUILD on Facebook.
Contributing Member Denise Posted February 20, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted February 20, 2009 I was just thinking that Ebay wouldn't be wanting this to happen on their site either, so they might be interested in getting rid of the guy if it is the same guy. With all the traffic on the site, nobody there is likely to connect these three incidents. But if it was brought to their attention, maybe they would take some action. Small potatoes to them, but it is their name that gets dragged through the mud if this keeps happening...
JohnBarton Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 This stuff happens with high end cues all the time and the cue collecting community is pretty quick at spotting them now. Several years ago though people were getting scammed right and left. I haven't seen Ebay's paypal policy concerning holding the funds against positive feedback but if that's the case then lvoe it or hate it that sure does seem like it would cut out seller fraud completely. Now how does the honest seller have any protection? Support Quality. We are all humans. Buy the best no matter where it's made. That way everyone lives in harmony. Nature knows no flags.
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