Members Go2Tex Posted February 28, 2009 Author Members Report Posted February 28, 2009 This is very similar to the situation with CCTV cameras where the innocent person has little or nothing to fear from surveillance. ....... Maybe not today. You Europeans have a long history of revolutions to get rid of bad leaders, kings, and tyranical governments and it seems you don't ever learn. You seem all too willing to give up your guns, your personal freedom and privacy for the sake of a little security. Big Brother is all well and good when he's the guy you voted for, but we Americans know all too well how quickly things can go the other way. That nice, friendly cop on the corner or that TV camera is great until the government enacts a law that turns law abiding citizens into criminals, i.e. gun ownership. Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
Members Tina Posted February 28, 2009 Members Report Posted February 28, 2009 Maybe not today. You Europeans have a long history of revolutions to get rid of bad leaders, kings, and tyranical governments and it seems you don't ever learn. You seem all too willing to give up your guns, your personal freedom and privacy for the sake of a little security. Big Brother is all well and good when he's the guy you voted for, but we Americans know all too well how quickly things can go the other way. That nice, friendly cop on the corner or that TV camera is great until the government enacts a law that turns law abiding citizens into criminals, i.e. gun ownership. Wow, interesting. Where did you go to in Europe and how long did you stay? "He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands, and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands, and his head, and his heart, is An Artist" http://vildkorpens-laderlya.deviantart.com http://tupali.deviantart.com/
Members Go2Tex Posted March 2, 2009 Author Members Report Posted March 2, 2009 Wow, interesting.Where did you go to in Europe and how long did you stay? I've visited a few countries but that's not how I came to believe what I do about Europe in general. One need only look at how quickly so many European countries surrendered their soverignty to the E.U. By the way, how's that working out for ya'll? How's your economic situation? How's your unemployment? What is your interest rate and how long do you wait in line to buy a home? And eh, how much do ya'll pay in taxes? And how many bureaucrats do you have to buy off to get permission to own a gun? And, how much more do you have to pay to import something after it passes the approval of the EU? Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
Members Tina Posted March 3, 2009 Members Report Posted March 3, 2009 Wow ... Time to open your school books again. I have given your rude and inaccurate comments way to much time already, just a few facts that I can easily look up then I close this book. Economy: Don’t pretend we all don’t know the cause of this mess, to make it a bit simplified: Wall street and fraudulent triple A papers, a housing bubble = house of cards, I live here and I do watch all the news too...And I do pay attension. Now with that said: Interest rates (checked today) for buying a home Sweden: Todays rates 2.2% on adjustable rates 2.5% on fixed rates. The equivalent to the "Federal Reserve" in Sweden has the interest set to 1% today....Rather nice I think:-) USA: National Average Rates today... (I could not find a today's best on adjustable loans) 30 Yr fixed 5.42% 5.33% 15 Yr fixed 5.02% 5.09% ...and I have NEVER ever heard of anyone having to wait/stand inline to buy a house on the market??? You bid/make an offer, if you win/agrees it’s yours...How different is that from here??? Unemployment rates: Sweden March 2009 - 7.4% Michigan March 2009 - 8.4% USA total January 23, 2009 - 7.6% (US Department of Labor info) I did not find more recent facts. Just to mention a few... License for weapons... Takes a few days to a month depending on time of the year (ie; hunting season) handled by the police, some stipulations might apply. The "No guns in Europe" is a American Urban legend, very convenient for certain organizations to scare unsuspected people with..."Beware of the dangerous European way of life". I also think the accusations of bribes is totally inexcusable. High taxes... The sum our family pays for the medical insurance/month is almost the amount the taxes are in Sweden/month. (this does NOT include the co-pay of $5000/person/year here if surgery and such is needed) Some of what you get for the tax money: They have state medical over there, the co-pay/year/person is $290 this include all medical treatment and medications and some dental care. If my memory serves me right I think Germany and England might have it even better? Taxes pays for the roads, (very, very good condition compare to MI) Taxes pays for free schools and universities. (The idea is that never mind how poor you are, education is a right and should not be deprived due to lack of funds.) You have to pay for your literature at the universities. Taxes also pays for free school lunches all the way through high school. Taxes pays partially for daycare. The list could be much longer, this is just a few things, but important things. Within EU (Like within USA) we don't pay taxes. Coming from outside EU the taxes are different depending of the item (just like here...) One only need just to stay on the right side of the law...Just like here!!! Strange how similar it is, isn’t it? No country have to join EU, it’s all voluntarily and in every case I can remember on the top of my head it has been a peoples choice election first=democracy. The same with currency, some has changed to Euro, some has not, again democratic elections in most cases. Now, for the rest, what I don’t know I try to find the right answers to before stating a fact and if I can’t find it, I would like to think I have the sense to shut up! With this said I have stated what I had to say in this matter//Thanks "He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands, and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands, and his head, and his heart, is An Artist" http://vildkorpens-laderlya.deviantart.com http://tupali.deviantart.com/
Members Go2Tex Posted March 3, 2009 Author Members Report Posted March 3, 2009 Wow ...Time to open your school books again. I have given your rude and inaccurate comments way to much time already, just a few facts that I can easily look up then I close this book........................ Yeah well, this is getting a bit off topic, but I always find it interesting how people label anything they don't agree with as "rude" unless it's sugar coated. Besides, bribery among public officials has become a way of life in this Country. What's so bad about that accusation? Heck, in Illinois it's like part of your resume to get elected. I think it's a requirement. Like not paying your taxes to be appointed to the President's cabinet. But, thanks for setting me straight on Sweden and I'm happy for ya.... Is there a national sales tax, local sales tax, property tax, car tax, carbon tax, business or corporate tax? I don't see how a country could manage it. Free health care and education for all, probably very generous unemployment benefits too, and partially free child care, excellent roads, and free school lunches!!! all for a few hundred bucks per month. Amazing! I'm afraid it all sounds too good to be true. Someone or some group is paying for it, and I'll just bet it's the upper income earners and/or businesses that are paying through the nose. All that stuff you're getting from mommy government is not free. Is Sweden sitting on huge oil reserves or something? Oh, I know, ... ski wax tax! Blonde hair dye tax? Lutefisk tax? Don't think you mentioned anything about a "right" to gun ownership in Sweden but at least it's nice to know that ya'll don't have to grease anyone's palms to get permission to buy one. I'm not so sure about the rest of Europe. I know that Germany is very restrictive, (not an urban legend but just fact). You MUST belong to a shooting club. And we all know how easy it is to get, let alone keep a gun in jolly old England these days....well, unless you're a criminal. Guess that's why bombs are the weapon of choice over there. Or is that also an urban legend? God only knows what the French require. I hear they have a lot of military surplus rifles available.... How about Italy? Right to own? Right to carry?......ok, besides the Mafia? One thing we do agree on is that things are getting to be about the same here as in Europe and frankly, it scares me to death. We are taxed to death and it's getting worse. We fought a revolution once to free ouselves of the Europeans and a tax rate of about 3% or something like that and it's now in total about 40% on average when you add it all up. It's tyranny, plain and simple. America has become a socialist country. It should be our worst nightmare and what do the voters do? They vote in a guy who admitted he was going to "spread the wealth". Can you say, Marxism? Brent Tubre email: BCL@ziplinkmail.com
Moderator Johanna Posted March 4, 2009 Moderator Report Posted March 4, 2009 Lots of good points made here, but this thread has strayed from the original topic into international politics so I'm closing it. If anyone wants to revisit the ebay subject, start a new thread please. Johanna You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus. - Mark Twain
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