Randall/USM Cyclone stitching machine

[D.A. Kabatoff]

Thought I'd post a link to a Cyclone video clip... can't say for sure but it appears to be at Campbell-Bosworth and I think that's Randy (one of their techs) operating it. Keep an eye on the machines internals when the camera is showing the back side of the machine... gives some idea how fast that thing is moving.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...ideoID=26369134

Darc

[oldcowpoke]

Hi Troy,

I wish I could answer which I like better but I don't have the Randall running yet. I got it in a deal when I bought one of my Landis 3s... drove all the way to Minnesota to pick it up and when I got there the guy offered me the Randall for $700s... just couldn't refuse that. The needle bar is tight and the machine looks almost complete but needs a spring above the thread tube and a table and motor as well. I'm not sure if you are familar with the action of the machine but maybe you could answer this question... When I hand crank my Landis 3, it turns over very smoothly with the weight of the wheel. When I handcrank the Randall, it goes about 3/4s of the way around and then tension increases and feels like it's going over a hill and then releases. The tension increases at the point that the awl moves the material and releases when the awl starts to rise upwards. I'm curious if this tension is normal for this kind of machine or if I have some adjustments that need to be made. The only time i've actually seen one of these machines running is at a booth Campbell-Bosworth had in Sheridan and their machine was of course hooked up to a motor.

I've attached a couple of photos of the two machines I got in Minnesota.

Darc

Hey if you need parts for your Campble give me a shout I have about any part you will need.

[casemaker]

Hi Troy,

I wish I could answer which I like better but I don't have the Randall running yet. I got it in a deal when I bought one of my Landis 3s... drove all the way to Minnesota to pick it up and when I got there the guy offered me the Randall for $700s... just couldn't refuse that. The needle bar is tight and the machine looks almost complete but needs a spring above the thread tube and a table and motor as well. I'm not sure if you are familar with the action of the machine but maybe you could answer this question... When I hand crank my Landis 3, it turns over very smoothly with the weight of the wheel. When I handcrank the Randall, it goes about 3/4s of the way around and then tension increases and feels like it's going over a hill and then releases. The tension increases at the point that the awl moves the material and releases when the awl starts to rise upwards. I'm curious if this tension is normal for this kind of machine or if I have some adjustments that need to be made. The only time i've actually seen one of these machines running is at a booth Campbell-Bosworth had in Sheridan and their machine was of course hooked up to a motor.

I've attached a couple of photos of the two machines I got in Minnesota.

Darc

I have a Randall model and stopped replacing the spring at the top of the thread tube since it kept popping out. A 2 inch X .5 in length of leather with a slit in the middle now sits in the tube and the thread passes thru it and down the tube. The purpose of the spring to lightly hold the thread and the leather does a perfect job.

Also, the machine wheel pressure increases when the foot is lifting to all ow the leather to feed for the next stitch. That is probably what you notice when rotating the hand wheel.

[oldcowpoke]

Jack, would you consider posting some photo's of those machines? At least we could see what they look like. Most people never even seen one.

This Machine was made in 1910

[awharnessshop]

This Machine was made in 1910

Is this one of the cyclones? I take it the price may have gone up! what about the randall on the floor to the right?

-Andrew

[Wizcrafts]

I always wanted a Randall stitcher, but had to settle for a Union Lockstitch Machine. It was neat seeing the photo of the old Cyclone Machine. I wonder how many spi it can handle?

[oldcowpoke]

Is this one of the cyclones? I take it the price may have gone up! what about the randall on the floor to the right?

-Andrew

That is sold but I do have a good one and a landis 16 and a #3 email me at oldcowpoke@charter.net

[Bob]

That is sold but I do have a good one and a landis 16 and a #3 email me at oldcowpoke@charter.net

Jack, if you have a Cyclone for sale. Whats your price? For the 3 & 16 also?

[oldcowpoke]

Hey guys and gals,

I have just recently registered and figured I might throw out a question or two. First, I would like to compliment the individuals that run and maintain this site. The format is very profesional, informative, and easy to navigate. It is also neat to have thousands of years of knowledge gathered in one spot willing to give advise and shop secrets to individual looking to better themselves and their work. Most everyone seem courteious and sincere unlike many other forums I have visited. My question is about the Cyclone stitcher. I'm wondering if there are a few of you out there that might know something about this machine? I recently talked to Connie Nagle, A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, and he described the machine as the Rolls Royce of stitchers. He also added that it was excellently engineered and that it sounded like no other when it sewed. There seems to be a little mystery surounding this machine being that there were only 400 or so produced and not a lot of info on it. I would also like to see a picture of one if any of you have one. I would also like some feedback on the Campbell/Randall machines versus the Landis 3. I've heard that Don King said that the Randall produced finest stitch out of all of the needle and awl machines.

Thanks for you time,

Kevin Johnson

Hi guys I sold Kevin a cyclone and I have another one for sale 4000. as well and a campble 2850 and a landis 3 3300. and a singer 97-10 2250.

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call me and i will send pic...

[oldcowpoke]

I always wanted a Randall stitcher, but had to settle for a Union Lockstitch Machine. It was neat seeing the photo of the old Cyclone Machine. I wonder how many spi it can handle?

This came off the campble randall site

The Cyclone utilized the best technology of the day. It

featured a reliable awl feed mechanism, which limited

the speed to 500 SPM, but could out perform the

Union’s needle feed. The rotary shuttle held a large

bobbin and it would accommodate 3 to 10 cord thread.

The 12” throat depth allowed for large work and some

parts were interchangeable with the Campbell Machine.

Best of all, it could sew leather up to 1” thick.

Besides the capabilities of the machine, from a mechanical

stand point, it was well engineered. The gear

drive mechanisms provided a history of low maintenance

and high reliability. The custom stand and drive

unit allowed the operator to vary the speed according

to the amount of pressure he applied to the pedal. Cyclones

were setup for sewing harness, tack, belts, bags,

handles, cases, saddles, shoes, luggage, and corner

stitching. Our records show that by 1917, barely 5 year

after its introduction, over 118 Cyclones had been sold

or leased. This was one of the best stitchers every built

and could out perform anything on the market.