Members tonyc1 Posted June 13, 2009 Members Report Posted June 13, 2009 Hi Marcel - what IS deadgrinding leather - do I need to know? Cheers, Ray I think we're losing something in the translation, Ray. Tony. Quote
Members gesa Posted June 14, 2009 Members Report Posted June 14, 2009 I think Johann try to explain that leather in german ( or maybe european) tanneries are treated in a special way. After the tanning process, when the hide is still wet, it has wrinkles and does not lay flat on a table , because it is still a bit shaped like a cow. Now there are large slicking maschines to straighten these hides. With these process they become a bit larger. If they stretch the leather to its limits, they have more suface to sell, when the leather is sold by squarefoot or squaremeter.These hides have no good quality. I hope you understand my description.......there is no online dictionary about leather related terms. Gesa Quote
Members TheTrooper Posted June 14, 2009 Members Report Posted June 14, 2009 ... If they stretch the leather to its limits, they have more suface to sell, when the leather is sold by squarefoot or squaremeter.These hides have no good quality. ..And I think he also meant that the leather looses in this process the good tooling ability like e.g. Hermann Oaks has. Cheers, Marcel Quote FKA adamant-leather Feel free to visit my site adamant-leather.de
Contributing Member UKRay Posted June 14, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted June 14, 2009 I think Johann try to explain that leather in german ( or maybe european) tanneries are treated in a special way. After the tanning process, when the hide is still wet, it has wrinkles and does not lay flat on a table , because it is still a bit shaped like a cow. Now there are large slicking maschines to straighten these hides. With these process they become a bit larger. If they stretch the leather to its limits, they have more suface to sell, when the leather is sold by squarefoot or squaremeter.These hides have no good quality. I hope you understand my description.......there is no online dictionary about leather related terms. Gesa Thank you, Gesa (and Marcel), that makes perfect sense to me now. They call the process 'plating' over here in the UK and I saw a demonstration of it when Badger, CelticLeather and I went down to Baker's tannery in Collyton in Devon a few months back. Excessive plating does make the leather surface very hard and hides become difficult to work. In fact, I purchased some leather from Baker's and having tried a couple of pieces have avoided using it because I can't face the hassle of cutting it. Badger gave me the pieces he purchased as he had exactly the same experience. I'm waiting until I can find a use for it... I hadn't thought that it was done because the square footage increases, but that kinda makes sense too! Quote "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Contributing Member UKRay Posted June 14, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted June 14, 2009 I forgot to mention that I also buy from J.T. Batchelors and have found the quality of their leather to be exceptionally good. As Badger said, they don't have a website or email but a phone call is definitely worth while. Ask for Rocky! Ray Quote "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Members manfrommuc Posted June 14, 2009 Author Members Report Posted June 14, 2009 Danke Gesa, genau das meine ich mein englisch war schon einmal besser, aber mit dem alter und ohne training vergisst du so einiges................ Johann I think Johann try to explain that leather in german ( or maybe european) tanneries are treated in a special way. After the tanning process, when the hide is still wet, it has wrinkles and does not lay flat on a table , because it is still a bit shaped like a cow. Now there are large slicking maschines to straighten these hides. With these process they become a bit larger. If they stretch the leather to its limits, they have more suface to sell, when the leather is sold by squarefoot or squaremeter.These hides have no good quality. I hope you understand my description.......there is no online dictionary about leather related terms. Gesa Quote keep the rubberside down http://www.harleyluja.de
Members CampbellRandall Posted June 15, 2009 Members Report Posted June 15, 2009 I'm told Ausonia Conceria makes a good Italian veg tan leathers. Some our our belt customers import from Italy. ausonia.it My contact is David Bilanceri. Quote
Members pino Posted June 17, 2009 Members Report Posted June 17, 2009 @all europeansknows anybody a recurce for tooling leather here in europe in the quality of hermann oak?? all vagtan leather here in europe is deadgrinded!! I know why but maybe somone knows a supplier for very good tooling leather in the old world............................... thats a big problem now.......... thx for any info johann Hey Johann have you tried www.tandyleatherfactory.co.uk , that's were I get all my supplies. They carry good tooling leather and they ship internationnaly very fast. Take care Pino Quote
Members Jimbob Posted July 31, 2009 Members Report Posted July 31, 2009 @all europeansknows anybody a recurce for tooling leather here in europe in the quality of hermann oak?? all vagtan leather here in europe is deadgrinded!! I know why but maybe somone knows a supplier for very good tooling leather in the old world............................... thats a big problem now.......... thx for any info johann Hello Johan... well...OK ich kann das ja nun in deutsch schreiben...HiHi...als ich in Esslingen am Neckar wohnte habe ich tolles Leder in Goeppingen bei einem Schuhwaren und Zubehoer Laden bekommen...aber ich glaub die gibts nicht mehr...versuche mal mit einem guten Messermacher in Verbindung zu treten...die haben immer Verbindungen mit Leuten die Messerscheiden herstellen....was natuerrlich bedeutet das die auch Leder Leute kennen...Schumacher Grossversand und Zubehoer waere mein naechster Versuch...bei dir in Bayern gibt es sicher Jaeger die Ihre Felle und Hauete zum verarbeiten bringen...nachfragen!! Und da du im Land der Lederhosen wohnst...frag mal einen echten Lederhosen Schneider,,,,der weiss vielleicht wo man da anklopft!!! Gruesse aus Virginia Habe schoene lange Sommer mit dem Motorrad am Wagginger See verbracht...!! seuffzzzz)) James Quote http://www.elfwood.com/~alien883 First it is just leather....then it is what-ever I can dream off...
Members manfrommuc Posted August 3, 2009 Author Members Report Posted August 3, 2009 Hello Johan...well...OK ich kann das ja nun in deutsch schreiben...HiHi...als ich in Esslingen am Neckar wohnte habe ich tolles Leder in Goeppingen bei einem Schuhwaren und Zubehoer Laden bekommen...aber ich glaub die gibts nicht mehr...versuche mal mit einem guten Messermacher in Verbindung zu treten...die haben immer Verbindungen mit Leuten die Messerscheiden herstellen....was natuerrlich bedeutet das die auch Leder Leute kennen...Schumacher Grossversand und Zubehoer waere mein naechster Versuch...bei dir in Bayern gibt es sicher Jaeger die Ihre Felle und Hauete zum verarbeiten bringen...nachfragen!! Und da du im Land der Lederhosen wohnst...frag mal einen echten Lederhosen Schneider,,,,der weiss vielleicht wo man da anklopft!!! Gruesse aus Virginia Habe schoene lange Sommer mit dem Motorrad am Wagginger See verbracht...!! seuffzzzz)) James servus james habe einen gerber am chiemsee gefunden und zwar in grassau ist zwar schon um die 70ig aber noch recht fit macht wunderschönes punzierleder zwar nicht billig aber top qualität grüsse aus bayern johann Quote keep the rubberside down http://www.harleyluja.de
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