Members ALANMCKENZIE Posted December 28, 2009 Members Report Posted December 28, 2009 G'day Steve, I was wondering if the class 4 machine will sew from chap leather through to several layers of skirt leather without any adjustments In other words will it sew uphill. Are they available with a 220-250 volt x50cycle motors? And are you prepared to freight one to Australia. Will it replace my Pearson#6 and my Singer 7-5. Regards Al Quote
Moderator Art Posted December 28, 2009 Moderator Report Posted December 28, 2009 Hi Al, Sounds like a loaded question to me. What is with sewing dollar bills to harness tugs on one machine? Most of the machines out there (of the large variety) will sew the complete range, it will just look like crap. Size 346 thread on chap leather is going to look a little big, or 138 or 69 on saddle skirts is going to look a bit puny. that being said, it can be done and assuming the lock is well placed for the chap leather, it will be good for the skirting. Sewing several layers of skirting with a #20 needle might push the envelope a bit though. The class 4 is however an excellent machine, made in a real sewing machine factory, not a toy factory. They put adjustment knobs on the machines for the purpose of adjusting them. The Pearson #6 and the ASE No.9 are probably the best machines ever made for stitching harness, unless they got themselves into a horrible mishap or were in some other way terribly mistreated, why ever replace them. The Singer 7 is a remarkable old machine, in stock form more suited to canvas than leather, still, I would keep it around just to hold something down if nothing else, someone will always come around looking for you to sew heavy textile and it will be nice to have it there ready to go. Art G'day Steve, I was wondering if the class 4 machine will sew from chap leather through to several layers of skirt leather without any adjustments In other words will it sew uphill. Are they available with a 220-250 volt x50cycle motors? And are you prepared to freight one to Australia. Will it replace my Pearson#6 and my Singer 7-5. Regards Al Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members RunningRoan Posted December 28, 2009 Members Report Posted December 28, 2009 Steve, I purchased a Cobra Class 3 machine from you this past summer. I know I haven't called, I haven't needed to. This machine has been an absolute dream! Very happy with my purchase! Quote
Cobra Steve Posted December 28, 2009 Author Report Posted December 28, 2009 Hi Al, I will ship one to the moon if you lived there! The COBRA Class 4 will sew from 6 oz. to 7/8 inch whatever. Yes it will sew uphill as well. They are available in 220V. I think you will need 2 COBRA Class 4's if you want to replace both of them. (Ha Ha) Thanks, Steve Steve, I purchased a Cobra Class 3 machine from you this past summer. I know I haven't called, I haven't needed to. This machine has been an absolute dream! Very happy with my purchase! Hi Heather, nice to hear from you and thanks for the plug. Call me if you need me. Steve Quote Thank You Steve Tayrien Leather Machine Co., Inc. 2141 E. Philadelphia St. Unit "U" Ontario, California 91761 1-866-962-9880 http://www.leathermachineco.com cobra@leathermachineco.com
Members ALANMCKENZIE Posted December 29, 2009 Members Report Posted December 29, 2009 OK.Art let me rephrase mt question so that you understand it!! Remember you are the selfproclaimed expert!!! Iff I am sewing up a saddle skirt ,and then later need to do some repairs on a pair of work ckaps ,do I need to make any adjustments to the machine. Keep in mind I have only been using the singer 7-5 and the Pearson No 6 for about 40 years!! And by the way the number 6 and the number 9 are like chalk and cheese. I will be interested in your most informed(X spirt) reply. Alan Steve,thank you for your reply. I will be intouch. Al Quote
Moderator Art Posted December 29, 2009 Moderator Report Posted December 29, 2009 Hi Al, Assuming you want to use the same thread and needle, and assuming you had the thread tensioned to put the lock in the middle of the skirting leather, you will probably have to back off the top tension a bit or the bobbin thread will most probably show on top of the thinner chaps. The larger thread and needle will probably look ok on the yolk attachment to the chaps, but for other sewing I think a smaller needle and thread would look better. I prefer the No.9 here in the States, it is much easier to get shuttle parts than for the #6. The 6 is an older and somewhat better design (the old ones always are) and the stands are absolutely gorgeous. Whenever a manufacturer attempts to make something better and cheaper, they usually succeed at one or the other, not always true, but usually. Art OK.Art let me rephrase mt question so that you understand it!! Remember you are the selfproclaimed expert!!! Iff I am sewing up a saddle skirt ,and then later need to do some repairs on a pair of work ckaps ,do I need to make any adjustments to the machine. Keep in mind I have only been using the singer 7-5 and the Pearson No 6 for about 40 years!! And by the way the number 6 and the number 9 are like chalk and cheese. I will be interested in your most informed(X spirt) reply. Alan Steve,thank you for your reply. I will be intouch. Al Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Contributing Member UKRay Posted December 29, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted December 29, 2009 OK.Art let me rephrase mt question so that you understand it!! Remember you are the selfproclaimed expert!!! I will be interested in your most informed(X spirt) reply. Alan Alan, I'm not quite sure what you are up to here or what your personal problems with Art might be. I just know that your public comments just went a tad too far for my liking. If you want to PM me to explain I'd be happy to hear you out and act on any reasonable complaint you may have. For the benefit of those who don't know, Art is not a 'self-proclaimed expert' he was simply asked (press-ganged is probably nearer the truth) to pick up sewing machine enquiries on this forum as his knowledge of sewing machinery is waaaay better than most of us non-technical leather folk. He gives a huge amount of his time free of charge to help you folks and doesn't need pointless unpleasantness in return. Now if you can all go back to playing nicely please, we'll carry on... Ray Quote "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Members jimsaddler Posted December 30, 2009 Members Report Posted December 30, 2009 OK.Art let me rephrase mt question so that you understand it!! Remember you are the selfproclaimed expert!!! Iff I am sewing up a saddle skirt ,and then later need to do some repairs on a pair of work ckaps ,do I need to make any adjustments to the machine. Keep in mind I have only been using the singer 7-5 and the Pearson No 6 for about 40 years!! And by the way the number 6 and the number 9 are like chalk and cheese. I will be interested in your most informed(X spirt) reply. Alan Steve,thank you for your reply. I will be intouch. Al Hi Allen I don't know about the Cobra, but the Cowboy 7441 <cowboysew.com> or 4500 will sew from repairing Work Chaps up to Fender Skirts (and Sulky Traces, Panels, Bridles, Horse Rugs, Saddle Pads, Webbing and the like, without problem as I've done it all on my Machine without adjusting the Tensions. There are not many jobs that need special adjustment, although some will disagree. But that is how I have found the 7441 handles the work. So many Saddlers that now own them have reported the same to me also. Then there is the Saddler who rang me praising how good his 7441 was, so I asked him please tell me of any complaints you can think of? After a while he answered " it doesn't break Needles". He replaced a Clone 441 that he'd brought (for a lot more money) with our Cowboy 7441. Apparently he went through a packet of Needles a week with the clone, but had only worn out Needles with ours. Nice complaint to have isn't it. The Clone is still gathering Dust. I sold my Pearson#6, 133K8, 7-5 and 45K25 as I didn't need them any more. Especially as none had reverse. With the modern Servo Motors and Speed reducers you can also have total control of the speed so easily. Makes the Job of the Saddler much easier. I'm in Childers, Queensland. 07 4212641, so please feel free to give me a ring for any queries you may have. I've got to to say it "I love my Cowboy 441" It's the one Machine an Aussie Saddler needs in the Shop for new work and Repairs. I wish I'd had one in Shop 40 years ago. It would have saved a lot of Headaches. Especially as we've added essential accessories that are needed based on "Bench experience as a Australian Country Saddler and Harness Maker since 1961". Kindest Regards. Jim Beaton the Saddler who sells Saddlers Sewing Machines. Sorry I'm not an X Spirt, just a Saddler! Usually I sit on the Fence and watch the Battle rage with the X Spirts trying to sell more Machines than the other, but your comment tickled my fancy. Hey everyone! Do you know the definition of an X spirt? X = unknown quantity, Spirt = Drip under Pressure. Please may everyone Have a Very Happy New Year Quote
Members jbird Posted December 30, 2009 Members Report Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Alan I dont know you but Art is a expert and not selfproclaimed any way this site is for folks that are willing to act in a respectfull way I as a Member I do not feel that Art or any other member should be spoken to that way. it is my hope that you will rephrase your question and aplogize Thank you. Josh Edited December 30, 2009 by jbird Quote Josh Dusty Chaps Leather & Seven O Saddle Shop 801-809-8456 Keep moving forward! On a horse. Hebrews 4:12 My link
Members ALANMCKENZIE Posted January 6, 2010 Members Report Posted January 6, 2010 (edited) Alan I dont know you but Art is a expert and not selfproclaimed any way this site is for folks that are willing to act in a respectfull way I as a Member I do not feel that Art or any other member should be spoken to that way. it is my hope that you will rephrase your question and aplogize Thank you. Josh Iff you go back to my original question ,then read arts sarcastic reply,you understand why I burred up. When you talk down to me you get what coming!!!!!!!! Beaton from Queensland answered the question the way I was expecting it to be answered. No bulldust,just straight up and down, honest,informative answer. My 40 plus years of saddle making has got to be worth something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oppology ,I'm waiting for it! "ART Marketplace and adult area Moderator & Sewing machine EXPERT" Now tell me I cant read! And just for the Record :-I am a Vietnam Veteran(Australian) Edited January 6, 2010 by ALANMCKENZIE Quote
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