button knots and back splicing

[bluebeard]

Thank you all for the help given. Good folks..

John, Im sorry that I used a pic of yours.. My apologies..I was just so impressed that i had to make one..

Thanks again...

bluebeard

[rawhide1]

greybeard

I don't know if this will help but here are a few pictures of a bracelet I'm working on. The first picture is of me crowning the the four strands. I know your using eight so just pick four strands to crown and and build your crown around the other four. Or you could double your strands when you crown them. But as Rob said it gets kinda of hard to get the knot pulled down tight plus you'll have a bigger knot to cover. The second picture shows the four strands crowned and pulled down. The third picture shows me covering the crown with a turks head out of roo. I will then cover this with a pineapple knot out of rawhide. But there are several knots you could use to cover the turks head.

Mike

[bluebeard]

hey mate , thank you for that.. Iv got a handle on the wall and crown 4 strand and the 5 strand 4 bight turks head.. Iv tried twice now to tie a gaucho knot from a 7 strand 6 bight turks head but i get just about there and things don't seem to line up.. Mybe on my third try all get it.. It makes me wonder how these knots were thought of in the first place..

Thanks again.. Bluebeard(rawhide1, you are right to say graybeard because it quickly becoming that...)

Edited October 7, 2009 by bluebeard

[rawhide1]

hey mate , thank you for that.. Iv got a handle on the wall and crown 4 strand and the 5 strand 4 bight turks head.. Iv tried twice now to tie a gaucho knot from a 7 strand 6 bight turks head but i get just about there and things don't seem to line up.. Mybe on my third try all get it.. It makes me wonder how these knots were thought of in the first place..

Thanks again.. Bluebeard(rawhide1, you are right to say graybeard because it quickly becoming that...)

bluebeard

No problem and I do apologize for getting your handle wrong. I must of had one of those moments that my wife calls having my head in my butt!! Good luck to ya.

Mike

[Alan Bell]

I don't know if this is necessary but I wanted to mention that Rawhide1 said he was crowning when in fact he was wall and crowning. They call it that because it flows off the tongue better but you actually crown then wall in order for the strands to come out going up. To crown you are crossing over the each adjacent strand and to wall you are going up between the cross you made in crowning.

Vaya con Dios, Alan

[rawhide1]

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused by my miss use of terminology.

Mike

[KnotHead]

hey mate , thank you for that.. Iv got a handle on the wall and crown 4 strand and the 5 strand 4 bight turks head.. Iv tried twice now to tie a gaucho knot from a 7 strand 6 bight turks head but i get just about there and things don't seem to line up.. Mybe on my third try all get it.. It makes me wonder how these knots were thought of in the first place..

Thanks again.. Bluebeard(rawhide1, you are right to say graybeard because it quickly becoming that...)

Why not start learning the Gaucho by first doing it from a 5part 4bight turks head first. Make your 5part 4bight base turks head first. I have the instructions here,

Gaucho Knot - From a 5x4TH

My friend and colleague whom is now passed away make this tutorial.

In post #13 above; I don't quite understand the reason behind making a few 5x4 turks heads and then bumping them against the terminal knots. I'm having an absent minded moment and just wondering why is all.

Brian...

[rcsaddles]

Glad to see there is another aspiring braider out there. As much as I love my Bruce Grant book, IMHO, the Ron Edwards books are easier to understand adn follow. You should be able to find them almost anywhere in Australia. Also check out the Australian whipmakers and plaiters assoiation web site. Good info there also.

[bluebeard]

Welllll boys, where are we at... O yea ,,THs..Actully the fisrt TH I learned to tie was a 5part 4bight.. Mind you that was after trying to tie it at least, no less than 50 times, no joke..sad testamony to my brain power.. still, it could have taken 100,,So, the reason I started this thread was to learn how to tie a button knot.As I was looking thru Bruce Grants book, "leather braiding" there it was, how to tie a Pineapple or Gaucho button knot.. As mister Grant said ,, "If tightened around a small spherical core it makes a beautiful button knot.. ahaaah ,button knot, thats the knot for me..Mister Grant starts with a skeleton knot(TH) of 5part 4bight ... He then raises it to a 7part 6bight TH and then gos on to show how to make the GBN..Im able to go from the5/4 to the7/6 ..I then work my way up to around step 11 or 12 and then.. bang-go.. what im supposed to be looking for is knot there...

I do know that at some point i will prevail.. It's just a matter of knowing what to look for...

As for the 5/4 TH up against the terminal knot.. they where on a knive lanyard that I saw and liked so thats how I did it.. Thank you all for your comments.. In many ways its a great world we live in, folks to talk to, things to do,,Still, in many ways its going to hell fast..signs of the times "A" (canadan thing,,,"A") anyway,May God bless you all and to all a goodnight...or morning, where ever you may be....(down under its goodnight)

Bluebeard