Fuel Prices

[tonyc1]

I noticed someone quoted the price of fuel at app. $3.30 a gallon. Lucky you don't live here! In todays paper it is listed at $1.51.9 a litre which makes it about $6.90 a gallon, and diesel is even dearer. The Gov. get the biggest slice of this as tax and excise.

Tony

[Denise]

It is almost 1.20 a litre here, and we produce the stuff!! The oil company's line is "we sell it on the world market so we have to sell it to you at the world price." Yeah right! How come people in the US and eastern Canada can buy western Canadian gas and oil cheaper than we can??!! (OK. This is a rant. Especially since they plopped an oil well 410 metres from our house last summer - our closest neighbour now - and didn't tell us because regulations say you only have to tell people withing 400 metres!! Yes, I have "talked" to the oil company involved...)

[TomSwede]

I noticed someone quoted the price of fuel at app. $3.30 a gallon. Lucky you don't live here! In todays paper it is listed at $1.51.9 a litre which makes it about $6.90 a gallon, and diesel is even dearer. The Gov. get the biggest slice of this as tax and excise.

Tony

I replied in that thread that we're about 8 USD if you calculate from Swedish crowns but then again everything's more expensive here wich naturally affects our salaries to appear to be higher.

Something that really pissed me off a few years ago was when Swedish government denied a really small company that makes a refined and really clean petroleum based fuel with no volumes whatsoever to expand their production because it would compete to much with the established petrol companies , :wtf: !

Environmental effect is a good cashcow for governments today but where's the moral in such activitys.

Tom

[wildrose]

We're about 3.30 USD/gallon here in Radford, VA, but it does vary wildly. We were in Roanoke this morning and it's only 3.11 there (ONLY! aargh!). Too bad it's just too far to go in a regular trip for gas, or that's where we'd fill up!

Some members of my family work for companies that are trying to produce an alternative fuel of hydrogen. I think the problem with that or any alternative fuel is that the gov's all over the world are too entrenched in the use of oil and whose pockets it lines.

[TwinOaks]

Rant ON:

Yeah, Holly, I have to agree with your last statement. The technologies are already present to virtually eliminate petroleum products as a fuel. BUT, the raw materials always seem to be REALLY expensive, or the science is, or the alternative fuel is, yadda, yadda, yadda. The governments are too tied in with the oil companies, and keep placing restrictions on the development of the new fuels. I saw a program that showcased a car (built in UK) that runs on a soup that's made of basically sea water, with a couple of multivitamins tossed in. It's a chemical conversion process that frees the hydrogen for fuel, and it's by products are something like, pure oxygen, a little fresh water, and a few grams of salt. Where is it now???? Probably confiscated for "review".

A bunch of college kids went to Australia with solar powered cars (and they were straight conversion, no capacitance at all IIRC), and proved that technology for cars. FedEx runs it's primary distrubution hub on the west coast via solar. They only buy about 2% of their ANNUAL power usage. Everything else is from the roof mounted solar panels. Heck, one town in Finland/Holland/Norway.... somewhere over near Tom....has gone green. Recycle everything, matter to energy conversion, geothermal, you name it. The calculation for average energy use was only wrong because the think tanks figured 1 computer per house, for only 1 hour...or some nonsense like that. Everyone there has a computer, and they run for more than one hour to be sure- so...gotta go buy some electricity.What a drag, their anual electric bill is somwhere around what it costs to fill up my old truck.

And.....the finale! The big hoopla in alternative (combustion) fuel is "Corn based Ethanol" --or-- "grandpa's 'shine recipe". What isn't being publicized is that better fuel can be produced using plant sugars that ARE NOT corn. Native grasses can do just fine, and are a faster, more renewable source that (since it's native) doesn't need a massive effort to transform the countryside to grow it. And then there's sugar cane- the grand poo-pa of the fuel plants. The only problem is that it's difficult to grow it up in the mid west.

I've long since decided to convert my home to solar power. It's a great way to go. Install the panels, add the battery, and away you go. Once you're battery is charged, anything you aren't using gets converted to AC and feeds back into the power grid- running the power meter backwards. Wouldn't it be nice to take a month off for vacation and come home to a check from the power company?

The only thing stopping me is the nearly $15,000 dollars to get the equipment Well, that's 'cause some oil exec is spending part of that 10 BILLION dollar profit to keep the good senators and congressmen from signing off on any new technologies. Well, thanks for reading....

Rant OFF

[tonyc1]

Rant ON:

Yeah, Holly, I have to agree with your last statement. The technologies are already present to virtually eliminate petroleum products as a fuel. BUT, the raw materials always seem to be REALLY expensive, or the science is, or the alternative fuel is, yadda, yadda, yadda. The governments are too tied in with the oil companies, and keep placing restrictions on the development of the new fuels. I saw a program that showcased a car (built in UK) that runs on a soup that's made of basically sea water, with a couple of multivitamins tossed in. It's a chemical conversion process that frees the hydrogen for fuel, and it's by products are something like, pure oxygen, a little fresh water, and a few grams of salt. Where is it now???? Probably confiscated for "review".

A bunch of college kids went to Australia with solar powered cars (and they were straight conversion, no capacitance at all IIRC), and proved that technology for cars. FedEx runs it's primary distrubution hub on the west coast via solar. They only buy about 2% of their ANNUAL power usage. Everything else is from the roof mounted solar panels. Heck, one town in Finland/Holland/Norway.... somewhere over near Tom....has gone green. Recycle everything, matter to energy conversion, geothermal, you name it. The calculation for average energy use was only wrong because the think tanks figured 1 computer per house, for only 1 hour...or some nonsense like that. Everyone there has a computer, and they run for more than one hour to be sure- so...gotta go buy some electricity.What a drag, their anual electric bill is somwhere around what it costs to fill up my old truck.

And.....the finale! The big hoopla in alternative (combustion) fuel is "Corn based Ethanol" --or-- "grandpa's 'shine recipe". What isn't being publicized is that better fuel can be produced using plant sugars that ARE NOT corn. Native grasses can do just fine, and are a faster, more renewable source that (since it's native) doesn't need a massive effort to transform the countryside to grow it. And then there's sugar cane- the grand poo-pa of the fuel plants. The only problem is that it's difficult to grow it up in the mid west.

I've long since decided to convert my home to solar power. It's a great way to go. Install the panels, add the battery, and away you go. Once you're battery is charged, anything you aren't using gets converted to AC and feeds back into the power grid- running the power meter backwards. Wouldn't it be nice to take a month off for vacation and come home to a check from the power company?

The only thing stopping me is the nearly $15,000 dollars to get the equipment Well, that's 'cause some oil exec is spending part of that 10 BILLION dollar profit to keep the good senators and congressmen from signing off on any new technologies. Well, thanks for reading....

Rant OFF

If someone invented an engine to run on urine, the Govt. would find a way to tax it!!!

Tony.

[Ian]

If someone invented an engine to run on urine, the Govt. would find a way to tax it!!!

Tony.

True, I don't believe the theories that energy companies are surpressing alternative fuels. If viable alt. fuels are discovered, the energy companies would control those too, since they already have the distribution system in place, and I'm sure they'd also like a fuel they can sell us that is immune from having to deal with the world's trouble spots and can be produced right here. . Any plant based fuels are impractical (look at what ethanol created, and that takes 80% of the energy it produces to manufacture it). Nope, as much as we wish there were something other than oil - that's probably it. And, if another source is developed, they sure as heck won't be giving it away.

[Jordan]

Well there is always methane, unfortunately I don't think I could eat enough beans to get to the store and back!

[Beaverslayer]

Well gas is $1.18.9 per litre here, that works out to $4.56 per US gallon. And to think all of our gas here in Calgary comes from a refinery less than 90 miles away. Really makes you wonder.

Ken

[Luke Hatley]

Well gas is $1.18.9 per litre here, that works out to $4.56 per US gallon. And to think all of our gas here in Calgary comes from a refinery less than 90 miles away. Really makes you wonder.

Ken

Ken, with gas at that price what type of vehicle do you drive ?