David Report post Posted January 15, 2008 I could not get anyone to hlp me with any type of design, and I saw either David or Beezes seat that was "elegantly simple" with basket weave tooling on the upper and lower of the seating area, and it looked nice, so since I could not get any help getting a scene that would bring all four pieces together, when I saw his seat I decided to go with something like that. It was posted on the 2007 board, and I dotn remember whose seat it was but I refered to it as "elegantly simple".David, no I did not take this into account, and thank you for giving me the formula to figure it by... maybe now when i restart on it tomorrow I will get it to work. That may have been my seat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gremlin Report post Posted January 15, 2008 (edited) What Ken has demonstrated in these photos is exactly what I was talking about by butting them up edge to edge. Just be sure not to let them overlap during the lacing, which the use of the pigskin should help control. Ken, thanks for posting the pics - saved me taking and posting them - exactly what was needed to describe what should work. Edited January 15, 2008 by Johanna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beaverslayer Report post Posted January 15, 2008 It had been bothering me the whole weekend, and then when you posted your reply about the Mexican Edge Weave, I thought about it. I call this a basic X weave, never learned the name of it. It's the same way I build my vests and hats. The pigskin also helps the seam from coming apart, as there is no lacing crossing over on the backside to help the strength, so I use the pigskin. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gremlin Report post Posted January 15, 2008 Ken, what you do in those pics reminds me of the applique patterns I do on day planners and binder/journals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan Report post Posted January 15, 2008 just my dry sense of humor, I would start over and redo b4 I downsized, but I don't have one right now so I guess I couldn't downsize even if I wanted to. I have a set of saddlebags waiting for a bike as we speak LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolvenstien Report post Posted January 15, 2008 Wolvie, this has been bothering me all weekend, and I think I have a simple solution to your problem.First, glue the edges of the front panel to the edges of the side panel together using a good contact cement. Second, glue a strip of leather ( I use Pigskin) to the back of the panels. The corners will be a bit hard to do, but it can be done. Third, repunch the holes through the stripping. Fourth, start your lacing on the second hole from your starting point. And glue the tail down as shown. Then lace back into the first hole on the backside, and back to the front. Fifth, on the front, cross over and lace into the second hole on the left side as shown. Sixth, then lace from the back to the front again, the same as you did on the left side. Seven, cross over the lacing and lace into the third hole, back a hole on the backside, then through to the front. Eight, This is what I mean by lacing back a hole on the backside. Nine, this is how you do a joint with this style of lacing. Run the lace under one of the loops a few spaces back and cut off. Start your new lace from under your last loop on the opposite side. As shown. Ten, pull your lace through to the front, as you would have normally. Eleven, the finished front lace. Twelve, the finished back lace. You should be able to moisten the lace when it comes time to wrap it around the foam, this will not effect it in any way. As I said, the corners will be a bit of a bitch, but it can be done. Good luck, I hope this helps you save that seat. Ken Ken, thank you for the walk through, but I am stumped. I can see this working nicly for two pieces that are butted up next to each other but I cant see this in my minds eye as working for the outer edge on this pad. with it having a front and rear panel and a gusset that goes all around. The gusset is at 90 degrees to the front and rear panel - not laying flat with them. Finish that one for another bike, and make yourself a new one. You'll fab a new back that someone can use. GHackett Jordan, No way is Wolv gonna sell his Maggie and drive a smaller bike under the sissy bar pad. He'd wanta attach a auxilery fuel can to replace the pad before he'd wanta waste a perfectly good screemer. ROFLMAO. GH You know it... and since they arent comming out with any new Maggies any time soon, I will be riding her for a good long time to come. That may have been my seat Yes David, that is the seat that inspired me to do mine with a simple basketweave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hidemechanic Report post Posted January 15, 2008 Wolv, mine's an 82 v45 mag, still kickin booty. I'm wanting to get with you seat makers to come up with some ideas for my seat. The stock magna seat sux arce big time. I need to resolve the mounting issues then get with you all for a toutoral on edge braiding. Ken, you said you don't cross over on the back so no support for the edge. Why can't you ad a cross over now and then? is it because it thoughs off the weave patern? I do a similar but edge braid ( also x braid that was showed)on saddle jockies and skirts and those I can ad cross overs on the back and keep the braid going. What do you think? GH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beaverslayer Report post Posted January 15, 2008 Wolvie, if you do this type of lacing to connect the front panel to the gusset, then to attach the front with gusset to the back, you do the same thing that David does with his seats. I believe that even with the bit of extra foam that you may have after lacing the front to the side gusset, will be able to be compressed very easily when you use string or roo lace to tie the front gusset to the back panel before lacing. The style of lacing will be a bit diferent, from front to back, but they are both a basket type weave so that shouldn't be a problem with aesthetics. GH, you don't really need to have the crossover on the back of the seam. I have used this technique for all of my hats and all of my vests. I had a customer ask me once just how strong the seams were, well you can pull them to your hearts content, and they will be not coming apart anytime soon. I have also built backpacks with this same style of lacing, and put 65lbs into them to see how well the worked. Never a problem.There is another style similar to this where you crossover twice on each X, on the back, but this would give Wolvie the same problem he has now. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gremlin Report post Posted January 15, 2008 Gremlin, doing a google for "mexican edge braid" only gives me a broken link to leatherworker, and to a post by a gremlin here: http://jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16056The pic of the seat shows what appears to be mexican basketweave as I know it, which is the same as what I used above on the sissy pad cover. Is this what you were referring to? Somehow I missed this post and didn't respond. Yes to your question and that Gremlin at the JJ is me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hidemechanic Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Thanks Ken, Good to know.GH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
