Satin Sheen Alternatives?

[brinyar]

I've been happy using the Angelus 600. I usually give the holster a good soaking in it and then use an airbrush to apply a final coat to cut the gloss down. After it is dry I apply a coat of Kiwi clear shoe polish for a final buffing.

[Tina]

Tina,

Thanks for that link, they have Angelus dyes in pint bottles and are reasonably priced as well as some other things, I wish I wouldn't have just ordered 2 quarts of Fiebings. Do they ship fast?

Yes, When I lived in Michigan the package showed up in just a few days/under a week which in my world is fast :-) I use the dyes too and some other things from this place, things have always worked out fine.

[jasonsmith]

I was looking for a satin finish. But I've read the Angelus Satin and Gloss pretty much look the same. And to instead go with Matte if you want a satin finish.

How does the Angelus black dye compare to Fiebing's Pro Oil black?

[billymac814]

I used angelus pro black and really liked it compared to Fiebings spirit black and usmc black. It seemed to require much less buffing to get the excess off. As soon as I finish my last quart I'm going to switch to angelus for the black. I haven't used Fiebings oil dye in black to compare it.

[jasonsmith]

I used angelus pro black and really liked it compared to Fiebings spirit black and usmc black. It seemed to require much less buffing to get the excess off. As soon as I finish my last quart I'm going to switch to angelus for the black. I haven't used Fiebings oil dye in black to compare it.

Thanks, I'm gonna try and contact Angelus to see what the difference is between all their blacks. I've never dyed before. So, it sounds like Angelus would work better for a beginner.

[billymac814]

Thanks, I'm gonna try and contact Angelus to see what the difference is between all their blacks. I've never dyed before. So, it sounds like Angelus would work better for a beginner.

Yea I think you'll be happy with it. Let us know what the differences between the blacks they have. With fiebings I can buff all day and still get rub off and the angelus seemed to set in really well and require very little buffing. The only reason I didn't get more was because Springfield only sold it in 3 oz bottles which don't last very long at all. I like to order as much as I can from the same place to save on shipping but I'm going to try the place mentioned earlier for larger bottles.

[BigRiverLeather]

Yea I think you'll be happy with it. Let us know what the differences between the blacks they have. With fiebings I can buff all day and still get rub off and the angelus seemed to set in really well and require very little buffing. The only reason I didn't get more was because Springfield only sold it in 3 oz bottles which don't last very long at all. I like to order as much as I can from the same place to save on shipping but I'm going to try the place mentioned earlier for larger bottles.

I'm switching to all Angelus Products as we speak. I would recommend contacting Angelus directly which I've done at the suggestion of a couple of other top notch holster makers. I asked for some samples so I could compare against Feibings and their own individual products. She sent me a whole box of 3 oz bottles, 600, 610 acrylic, brown acrylic, black acrylic (though I do REALLY like black resolene, makes black BLACK!) and black edge finish. I immediately realized I needed to make the switch from resolene. I really like the 610 which is supposed to be a high gloss, but IMO it is not as glossy as Resolene. A customer sent me a Del Fatti mag carrier he wanted me to duplicate for him and man, is the finish on that thing nice. Through the grapevine I've been told by someone he gave the tip to that he is using 600 Angelus, buffed with a horsehair wheel and renaissance wax. The horsehair wheel must be the ticket, gotta get me one of those

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After the service I got with that I decided I wouldbe switching my dyes too. I also noticed they have several blacks. I asked for some samples and not wanting to make themfeel like I was taking advantage of them I just asked for some leather swatches that had been dyed. I will put a finish coat on them and determine which black I want as well as the other 1/2 dozen color samples I asked for. I got an email yesterday that they are in the mail!

When I do order, I'm going to order in gallons, at least the acrylic, so that I can effectively dip, cut it 60/40 with water and finish up my hot box for drying. I will need to get a couple of gallons, one for black and one for the browns. Hopefully I can get a third dip mix out of the two gallons, depending on my dip container (I see an excuse to eat someice cream) for mahogany which I get a lot of orders for. If I can settle on a brown, I might get a gallon of that as well for dipping. I think black is fine usingdaubers, then it dries quicker.

[jasonsmith]

I say I'll need to contact them on getting some samples instead of waiting on a response to see what the differences are in their blacks.

Angelus also has something called "Special Black No. 507" Which has "additional ingredients that allow the dye to penetrate hard and/or difficult leathers. Normally for professional use only."

I'll probably look at getting a sample of their Matte and Satin finishes. Though it appears they have two different Satin finishes. One is a "605" and the other is a "615". From what I can tell, it seems the 615 is more of a Satin High Gloss.

I do like the look of the pro oil black they used on this leather strap:

www.leathersmithdesigns.com/guitar-straps-making.htm

BigRiverLeather,

What kind of dye prep do you like? I see Angelus has a preparer and deglazer. I don't know if you have to let that stuff dry off before you dye. But Feibings has a dye prep where you rub it in right before you put your dye down. It is supposed to clean the leather and let the dye absorb easier and more evenly. Not sure which would be the better prep to use or if the Feibings would work well with the Angelus dyes?

Edited December 10, 2010 by jasonsmith

[BigRiverLeather]

I say I'll need to contact them on getting some samples instead of waiting on a response to see what the differences are in their blacks.

Angelus also has something called "Special Black No. 507" Which has "additional ingredients that allow the dye to penetrate hard and/or difficult leathers. Normally for professional use only."

I'll probably look at getting a sample of their Matte and Satin finishes. Though it appears they have two different Satin finishes. One is a "605" and the other is a "615". From what I can tell, it seems the 615 is more of a Satin High Gloss.

I do like the look of the pro oil black they used on this leather strap:

www.leathersmithdesigns.com/guitar-straps-making.htm

BigRiverLeather,

What kind of dye prep do you like? I see Angelus has a preparer and deglazer. I don't know if you have to let that stuff dry off before you dye. But Feibings has a dye prep where you rub it in right before you put your dye down. It is supposed to clean the leather and let the dye absorb easier and more evenly. Not sure which would be the better prep to use or if the Feibings would work well with the Angelus dyes?

It seems the 610 acrylic is the most popular amongst many of the makers so that is what I went with. She sent me 615 which I liked ok and another in an unmarked bottle which I never did find out what it was for sure but I'm guessing it was the 610. I mixed the little bottle with water and dipped some mag carriers and was please with the results.

For dye prep I've just been using deglazer I pick up at my local Tandy. I think it is Fiebings, not even sure. It dries faster than I move so I've not had any problem in waiting for it before I dye. I think they will work fine with the Angelus.

Regarding their black, I ordered the 002 (I think?) black. of the three swatches she sent me it was noticeably "blacker" than the others.

Still waiting for my order to ship. Apparently Paul keeps an eye on the weather and waits for a window of good weather to ship. We don't have good weather windows in Dec/Jan in WI - I hope I don't have to wait too long...

[jasonsmith]

It seems the 610 acrylic is the most popular amongst many of the makers so that is what I went with. She sent me 615 which I liked ok and another in an unmarked bottle which I never did find out what it was for sure but I'm guessing it was the 610. I mixed the little bottle with water and dipped some mag carriers and was please with the results.

For dye prep I've just been using deglazer I pick up at my local Tandy. I think it is Fiebings, not even sure. It dries faster than I move so I've not had any problem in waiting for it before I dye. I think they will work fine with the Angelus.

Regarding their black, I ordered the 002 (I think?) black. of the three swatches she sent me it was noticeably "blacker" than the others.

Still waiting for my order to ship. Apparently Paul keeps an eye on the weather and waits for a window of good weather to ship. We don't have good weather windows in Dec/Jan in WI - I hope I don't have to wait too long...

After you use the dye prep. Do you then still wet it down?

I'm thinking of spraying the sealer with the Preval. I'd probably have to do that anyways on the flesh side as I don't think I want to do alot of rubbing on the flesh side. I learned when putting on the sealer you want to rub it on wet, and let it dry. Before I was trying to rub it on then off. And that made it look like crap.