Members Vaquero1 Posted December 30, 2010 Members Report Posted December 30, 2010 Hi all, can anybody tell me how i can make the burner rounded inside? I think the rope does not run trough it lightly... Quote
Members KnotHead Posted December 30, 2010 Members Report Posted December 30, 2010 Very nice work. I like them. Brian... Quote Best Regards, Brian Kidd
Members roo4u Posted December 30, 2010 Members Report Posted December 30, 2010 i think in one of bruce grants books he showed them being shaped over a pointy ended stick....build your honda then while still flexible slide them onto the stick that is the shape you want and let them dry...this gives them the right curve so rope slides free. Quote TRACY MONSTER FARM SPECIALTIES-custom tack for dog, horse and human
Members Aggiebraider Posted December 31, 2010 Members Report Posted December 31, 2010 I received the dvd with Bill Dorrance called 4 Strands of Rawhide for christmas, and after watching it, I feel like I can comment without ever having made a honda lol. The way he shows in the dvd is to use a series of wedges that he hand cut, two of which are round on one side and the rest are flat. Bill used 4 different wedges together and fit the two with the rounded edges on the portions of the inside of the honda you would want to be rounded. The other two were put in between the first two in alternating directions so that it basically made a block with rounded ends. By using wedges, you can put them in one at a time, rather than trying to shove a whole block in at once. Once they are inserted, you can either let it dry normally, or I read somewhere on here that some people boil their hondas with the wedges inside to allow for more water to be in the strands, and then shrink uniformly around the wedges. I think it also said this somewhat hardens the hondas a bit. Hope this helps, CW Quote
Members rgerbitz Posted December 31, 2010 Members Report Posted December 31, 2010 Your braiding is looking real good man. The way explained it is the way I do it, except that I don't boil them. Rob Quote http://gerbitzquarterhorses.com/
Members curlyjo Posted January 1, 2011 Members Report Posted January 1, 2011 I've used the wedge system that Bill Dorrance used but switched to a single stick to build hondas. The very first was a spoke from an old wagon wheel, shaped up to a point and rounded where the final honda is placed. Now I have 3 hardwood shapes that are identical and are tapered to allow driving the braided hondas down and stretching to the final form. I can get 2 hondas on each stick one being just a tiny bit smaller than the other. I then boil for about 11/2 minutes and allow them to dry. I then put on the burners and drive them back on the sticks and dip just the burners in boiling water for about 30 seconds. This really takes the sap out and makes them really hard. When you first build the hondas don't make them full sized as they will stretch when they get wet. And don't dry them in a hurry. Bill D needed 2 in a hurry and stuck them in a warm oven to dry. When he took them out he tapped them on the counter and they shattered in pieces. I hope this makes sense. Happy New Year, Brad Quote
Members Vaquero1 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Members Report Posted January 1, 2011 Thanks, your tipps and comments helps me a lot. i made me some wedges but now i can not put a pencil in the rope hole anymore- perhaps i must build a kind of a big wood nail with a bigger flat tail to put them inside and do the wedges over it. i ordered the bill dorrance dvd too and hope i will get them soon... i wish all of you a happy new year- your helpfulness is awsome Quote
Members curlyjo Posted January 1, 2011 Members Report Posted January 1, 2011 Vaquero1, to make the rope hole, get a short(21/2 inch) stainless steel 3/8ths bolt and grind the end to a sharp point. Also grind off some of the head making sure not to leave any sharp corners. What I do is drive the honda onto my shaping stick, mark where the bolt should go, drive it back off and push the bolt through. Then drive it back on and leave it on til its dry. You mentioned your rope not running through very well. Thats where you can use a single shaper or wedges and make the honda rounder and more open on the top. You need to do that early on so that when you put on the burner you don't squeeze all the size down. Any bolt will work but I use stainless so no rusting. And use a 3/8ths as a 5/16ths is just a pain to get a rope through. You'll never know the difference. Hope that helps, Brad Quote
Members Vaquero1 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Members Report Posted January 1, 2011 Brad,, thats a good idea with the bolt- can you please make a picture from your shaping stick? it would help me to make one ;-) Quote
Members curlyjo Posted January 1, 2011 Members Report Posted January 1, 2011 Brad,, thats a good idea with the bolt- can you please make a picture from your shaping stick? it would help me to make one ;-) Vaquero1, I'll try to get pictures on here as soon as I get some tech. support. Meaning my wife since the grandkids aren't here. Brad Quote
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