Members LilRay Posted June 2, 2011 Members Report Posted June 2, 2011 OK Sewing Machine Gurus, I keep myself a dream tool list since getting into this wonderful mess. One of the things I'd eventually like to get would be a machine for faster work. What type machine would be best for a guy with limited use of legs/feet? I know of Tipmann's Boss, but are there others? I have use of my feet, just not well enough to drive. How much footwork is required to operate a machine without getting lots of mistakes? I may have to stick to hand sewing. God Bless, Ray Quote Ray
Moderator bruce johnson Posted June 2, 2011 Moderator Report Posted June 2, 2011 Ray, I have sewn some miles on one of the early Boss stitchers and sometimes still wish I had it. They are pretty simple to operate. The downside is that it takes one hand to run them so you have one hand to hold the piece. You learn to use binder clips and things like that to hold pieces in place instead of two hands. There wasn't much I couldn't get sewn with some improvised clamp or support one way or the other. There are some bigger stitchers that have a large hand wheel on the front to run them also. I am sure someone has adapted a powered machine to run by hand control for people with limited foot control too. If so, you still would only have one hand running the piece anyway.You can run most powered machines by hand turning the flywheel. Some of them have been adapted for a crank handle on the flywheel too. The servo motors can be set to sew pretty slow on a powered machine, but it still takes some foot control to stop and start. The biggest problem I had starting out with a clutch motor was I drove it like a gas pedal. I used the ball of my foot and pushed to go and let up to slow. When someone showed me to use my whole foot on the pedal - "Toe to go and heel to slow" it gave me way more control. When I switched to servo motors it was even more precise. Quote Bruce Johnson Malachi 4:2 "the windshield's bigger than the mirror, somewhere west of Laramie" - Dave Stamey Vintage Refurbished And Selected New Leather Tools For Sale - www.brucejohnsonleather.com
Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted June 2, 2011 Members Report Posted June 2, 2011 OK Sewing Machine Gurus, I keep myself a dream tool list since getting into this wonderful mess. One of the things I'd eventually like to get would be a machine for faster work. What type machine would be best for a guy with limited use of legs/feet? I know of Tipmann's Boss, but are there others? I have use of my feet, just not well enough to drive. How much footwork is required to operate a machine without getting lots of mistakes? I may have to stick to hand sewing. God Bless, Ray Hi ray, I would go for a Servo motor and simply rig up a hand control for it. Do you have sideways knee control to rig up a control that way? Quote Darren Brosowski
Members LilRay Posted June 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted June 2, 2011 Ray, I have sewn some miles on one of the early Boss stitchers and sometimes still wish I had it. They are pretty simple to operate. The downside is that it takes one hand to run them so you have one hand to hold the piece. You learn to use binder clips and things like that to hold pieces in place instead of two hands. There wasn't much I couldn't get sewn with some improvised clamp or support one way or the other. There are some bigger stitchers that have a large hand wheel on the front to run them also. I am sure someone has adapted a powered machine to run by hand control for people with limited foot control too. If so, you still would only have one hand running the piece anyway.You can run most powered machines by hand turning the flywheel. Some of them have been adapted for a crank handle on the flywheel too. The servo motors can be set to sew pretty slow on a powered machine, but it still takes some foot control to stop and start. The biggest problem I had starting out with a clutch motor was I drove it like a gas pedal. I used the ball of my foot and pushed to go and let up to slow. When someone showed me to use my whole foot on the pedal - "Toe to go and heel to slow" it gave me way more control. When I switched to servo motors it was even more precise. Bruce, I have never tried operating a machine. I guess the first step would be to find out what's broken before trying to fix things, but I'm building dream lists to keep myself moving forward. Truth is I should probably keep my goals for now more toward proper tooling technique, but what can I say, this is all exciting to me. As far as the one handed thing, I do a majority of things one handed. I wish you could've watched me learn to swing the maul you sent with my secondary (right) hand. I'm sure most would've chuckled. I sure did. Lots of laughing and swearing. I've at least got it down to a hit more often than not now. Hi ray, I would go for a Servo motor and simply rig up a hand control for it. Do you have sideways knee control to rig up a control that way? I don't have as much precise control over my knee as I do my foot(feet). I've always been able to develop a "system" to get things happening, and I'm sure something could be figured out. Thanks Y'all! God Bless, Ray Quote Ray
Moderator Art Posted June 2, 2011 Moderator Report Posted June 2, 2011 Hi Ray, A servo motor set on damned slow might work for you. If you get a chance to go to any of the shows, go see Steve, he is wound a little tight, but has the patience of a saint and will work with you, possibly after show hours if you ask, or call him if you can get down to his shop in Ontario California. You need to get on a machine to see what accommodations can be made. Art Bruce, I have never tried operating a machine. I guess the first step would be to find out what's broken before trying to fix things, but I'm building dream lists to keep myself moving forward. Truth is I should probably keep my goals for now more toward proper tooling technique, but what can I say, this is all exciting to me. As far as the one handed thing, I do a majority of things one handed. I wish you could've watched me learn to swing the maul you sent with my secondary (right) hand. I'm sure most would've chuckled. I sure did. Lots of laughing and swearing. I've at least got it down to a hit more often than not now. I don't have as much precise control over my knee as I do my foot(feet). I've always been able to develop a "system" to get things happening, and I'm sure something could be figured out. Thanks Y'all! God Bless, Ray Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members LilRay Posted June 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted June 2, 2011 Hi Ray, A servo motor set on damned slow might work for you. If you get a chance to go to any of the shows, go see Steve, he is wound a little tight, but has the patience of a saint and will work with you, possibly after show hours if you ask, or call him if you can get down to his shop in Ontario California. You need to get on a machine to see what accommodations can be made. Art Steve has already messaged me on a couple other sewing questions I had asked prior. He seems like a very nice guy. I'll have to see if he'll be at any shows in the southeast anytime soon. Thanks Art! God Bless, Ray Quote Ray
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted June 2, 2011 Moderator Report Posted June 2, 2011 I don't have as much precise control over my knee as I do my foot(feet). I've always been able to develop a "system" to get things happening, and I'm sure something could be figured out. Thanks Y'all! God Bless, Ray Ray; Since you have control over your feet you will probably have an easy time learning to sew on a leather stitcher equipped with a servo motor, with a knob on it to set its maximum speed. These motors can be adjusted for a comfortable maximum speed, while allowing you to slow it down with your foot on the speed pedal. Starting up requires a slight toe down. You then pivot the pedal toe down for more speed and heel down for less. The motor must be matched to the machine to work efficiently. I use a SewPro 500GR servo motor, which has a knob on the back. It has built in 1:3 gear reduction, which translates into 3:1 torque multiplication. Many lesser servo motors lose punching power at very slow speeds. This one doesn't. The modern 441 clone leather stitchers in use by many of our members are usually mounted on compact, movable pedestal bases. There are two pedals on the floor plates. One controls the motor speed, while the other is used to lift the pressor foot (to makes sharp turns, or to insert or remove the leather and loosen the top thread tension). If both of your feet are usable for pushing down on the heel or toe, you should be able to operate a sewing machine that is mounted to a pedestal base, with a knob controlled servo motor. I would recommend that you avoid the fancy looking servo motors with up and down buttons and speed readouts. They only change the speed while they are turning the machine! I find this very hazardous; leaning down to find the little buttons, while my foot is on the pedal and the machine is turning. With a knob controlled motor you just turn the knob to the setting mark or number you prefer and that becomes the top speed. Also, the big stitchers have a large speed reducer pulley between the motor and machine. This further slows the top speed and multiplies the torque (typically by 3:1). You will find, as you sew, that speed is not usually your friend when sewing anything other than garment, upholstery, or chap leather. For thick veg-tan or latigo projects, the slower, the better (within reason). Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members LilRay Posted June 2, 2011 Author Members Report Posted June 2, 2011 Ray; Since you have control over your feet you will probably have an easy time learning to sew on a leather stitcher equipped with a servo motor, with a knob on it to set its maximum speed. These motors can be adjusted for a comfortable maximum speed, while allowing you to slow it down with your foot on the speed pedal. Starting up requires a slight toe down. You then pivot the pedal toe down for more speed and heel down for less. The motor must be matched to the machine to work efficiently. I use a SewPro 500GR servo motor, which has a knob on the back. It has built in 1:3 gear reduction, which translates into 3:1 torque multiplication. Many lesser servo motors lose punching power at very slow speeds. This one doesn't. The modern 441 clone leather stitchers in use by many of our members are usually mounted on compact, movable pedestal bases. There are two pedals on the floor plates. One controls the motor speed, while the other is used to lift the pressor foot (to makes sharp turns, or to insert or remove the leather and loosen the top thread tension). If both of your feet are usable for pushing down on the heel or toe, you should be able to operate a sewing machine that is mounted to a pedestal base, with a knob controlled servo motor. I would recommend that you avoid the fancy looking servo motors with up and down buttons and speed readouts. They only change the speed while they are turning the machine! I find this very hazardous; leaning down to find the little buttons, while my foot is on the pedal and the machine is turning. With a knob controlled motor you just turn the knob to the setting mark or number you prefer and that becomes the top speed. Also, the big stitchers have a large speed reducer pulley between the motor and machine. This further slows the top speed and multiplies the torque (typically by 3:1). You will find, as you sew, that speed is not usually your friend when sewing anything other than garment, upholstery, or chap leather. For thick veg-tan or latigo projects, the slower, the better (within reason). Thanks Wiz! Like I say, I've never tried and before I invested any money I'd need to know I could operate a machine not only accurately but safely as well. Big investment to possibly have an ineffective "shop toy". I'll look into finding a machine to try, and someone to teach me how to properly use and maintain one. Kind of a booger to do when you live rurally, but not impossible. God Bless, Ray Quote Ray
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted June 2, 2011 Moderator Report Posted June 2, 2011 I was just informed by one of our dealers that their servo motor, which has push buttons and a readout, only changes the speed when it is NOT running. That is the preferable and safe system. The motor on the machine I have been sewing on, at my friend's business, only changes as it is in motion, which is very unsafe. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members gunnerdiego Posted July 5, 2019 Members Report Posted July 5, 2019 I don't see where anyone has answered the question about a knee control. I would like to put a knee control on my servo motor. Any ideas out there? Quote
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