Moderator Wizcrafts Posted August 21, 2011 Moderator Report Posted August 21, 2011 Wizcrafts the pictures are so big I can not tell about the size of the pulley on your machine.... since your handwheel is on the front - is the pulley (that the leather belt's attached to) the same size as the stock hand wheel pulley? The large pulley on the machine is 6" diameter. It is stock for this series of patcher. If you have an older model, it may have a different width pulley. The diameter of the pulley is not the most important factor. 5.5", 6"; not a big difference when the motor has a 3/4" pulley. Getting a firm grip on the motor pulley, with a leather belt, is the challenge. I am searching right now for longer home style machine belts. It appears that the embroidery machines have very long cogged 1/4" belts. If I find one that is 27 inches long I'll buy it and see if it works any better. If your patcher has a flat back and you can mount the motor directly behind the head, on top of the base, with the bracket facing down, then a 21 inch belt will fit it. I cannot mount the motor that way, without carving up the bracket, because my machine has a raised mid-section. If the slipping continues, I may have to resort to grinding off the front side of the bracket, and use a home machine belt. I think I saw a 23 incher somewhere on eBay... Here is a reduced photo of my current setup... Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted August 21, 2011 Moderator Report Posted August 21, 2011 I just moved my side motor up and found that it lacks one inch of being able to just connect to a 21 inch ribbed pulley (to the big pulley on the machine). Hunting for a #2214 or 2314 home machine pulley... The motor powers the machine in the smaller pulley, but groans and needs help to get into motion. Not good for the life of this motor. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members CustomDoug Posted August 21, 2011 Author Members Report Posted August 21, 2011 Wiz, are you calling the pictured setup a "side mounted" installation? I'd consider that to be mounted to the back, but maybe it depends on how you look at it? The other thing is that you're saying you can't connect to the big pulley on the machine - but it looks like it is on the big pulley to me. Confused again. Is there a larger than stock aftermarket pulley that you'd prefer and that would be easier on the motor? Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Members amuckart Posted August 21, 2011 Members Report Posted August 21, 2011 Wiz, you might have better luck with the small-diameter hollow urethane tubing from McMaster Carr. I use it on my treadle machines. It's more flexible than leather and has a bit of tack to it that helps it grip the pulleys. Quote -- Al. Medieval Stuff: http://wherearetheelves.net Non-Medieval, including my machines: http://alasdair.muckart.net
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted August 21, 2011 Moderator Report Posted August 21, 2011 Wiz, are you calling the pictured setup a "side mounted" installation? I'd consider that to be mounted to the back, but maybe it depends on how you look at it? The other thing is that you're saying you can't connect to the big pulley on the machine - but it looks like it is on the big pulley to me. Confused again. Is there a larger than stock aftermarket pulley that you'd prefer and that would be easier on the motor? The leather belt was on the big pulley. The vinyl belt is too short, so I just ordered a 23 inch cogged belt. I may also go for a cogged pulley with a 1/4" diameter hole. This will require me to relocate the motor to just behind the body, on top of the rear platform. It will also require me to drill and tap a second hole, to adjust the tension on the new belt. Right now it is on the back side of the platform. Wiz, you might have better luck with the small-diameter hollow urethane tubing from McMaster Carr. I use it on my treadle machines. It's more flexible than leather and has a bit of tack to it that helps it grip the pulleys. Would you have a link to the product page for that tubing? Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members amuckart Posted August 21, 2011 Members Report Posted August 21, 2011 Wiz, www.mcmaster.com is a complete pain to link to directly but put "Drive Belt" into the search box then follow the links for "Round Belts" > "Solid Core" > "Belting" (Under Form) You can get various sizes of V-belt from there too, as well as adjustable length belting that comes in links. I hope that helps. Quote -- Al. Medieval Stuff: http://wherearetheelves.net Non-Medieval, including my machines: http://alasdair.muckart.net
Members CustomDoug Posted August 22, 2011 Author Members Report Posted August 22, 2011 amuckart - thanks for that link. Wizcrafts, you going to order hollow tubing or solid core for this application? And what diameter...1/4" ? Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted August 22, 2011 Moderator Report Posted August 22, 2011 amuckart - thanks for that link. Wizcrafts, you going to order hollow tubing or solid core for this application? And what diameter...1/4" ? Neither. I ordered a 23" x 1/4" cogged belt for older Singer home sewing machines. It is a number 2314 belt. This belt will be long enough to allow me to mount the motor up alongside the back of the body, as opposed to down along the rear of the machine's support platform. I will grind down the edge of the motor mount that is interfering with the raised center area on my machine mounting platform, or drill and tap another hole for it, to the right of the first one. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members sandyt Posted August 22, 2011 Members Report Posted August 22, 2011 I used those solid core belts Amuckart mentioned. You can just weld (melting) them together right? Some types are real strechty though you don't want the stretchy ones. They come in smooth surface and some are rough ( you know what I mean with that?). The rough ones grip better. They are great for trying different setups without buying new v-belts all the time. Sandy. Quote
Members CustomDoug Posted August 22, 2011 Author Members Report Posted August 22, 2011 I used those solid core belts Amuckart mentioned. You can just weld (melting) them together right? The difference from Amuckart's link is that you can choose from either "Belts" or "Belting". The belts section offers pre-closed round belts and the belting section is open ended. Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
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