29K6 Shuttle Problem

[Aussiegal]

can any one help me with my 29K6 that I have just purchased, everything seems fine, but it stitiches alright on the top but underneath all there is big loops, and the top thread seems to get caught underneath the shuttle carrier and in the carrier. No idea what to do next, I have tried tensions up top and bobbin tension but nothing seems to change... Iam desperate that its not going to beat me.. I love this machine. I have 29x3 needle and 29 x 4 needles. 69 thread. Or do I have to pull it all apart?

[Wizcrafts]

Loops under the leather tell that either the bobbin pressure spring is too tight, or the top tension is too loose, or the needle is in wrong, or the wrong length, or the foot lift mechanism is disengaging the top tension disks prematurely.

Follow the top thread from the spool to the head. Make sure it actually feeds around the little stud behind the top tension disks, then around and through the disks from right to left, then through the little twisted metal eye, then up to the take-up lever, down the hole, past the little spring above the needle and into the needle's eye, from left to right.

Examine the action of the foot lifter mechanism and see if it is moving the tension disks apart, with the hand lift lever down. If so, move the adjuster (puck or sliding cam) to lower the foot lift a tish. You want to make sure you have enough lift to clear your leather, to feed new stitches, not so much that the disks get separated as you sew.

I had an old patcher that didn't like 29x needles. The thread kept getting dragged under the shuttle. So, I tried using type 1738 industrial needles and they sewed just fine.

You want the bobbin pressure just tight enough to provide a little resistance. The top gets more tension.

If the needle is way too big you might get loops on the bottom.

Finally, make sure that the spring on the take-up lever is properly tightened.

[Aussiegal]

Loops under the leather tell that either the bobbin pressure spring is too tight, or the top tension is too loose, or the needle is in wrong, or the wrong length, or the foot lift mechanism is disengaging the top tension disks prematurely.

Follow the top thread from the spool to the head. Make sure it actually feeds around the little stud behind the top tension disks, then around and through the disks from right to left, then through the little twisted metal eye, then up to the take-up lever, down the hole, past the little spring above the needle and into the needle's eye, from left to right.

Examine the action of the foot lifter mechanism and see if it is moving the tension disks apart, with the hand lift lever down. If so, move the adjuster (puck or sliding cam) to lower the foot lift a tish. You want to make sure you have enough lift to clear your leather, to feed new stitches, not so much that the disks get separated as you sew.

I had an old patcher that didn't like 29x needles. The thread kept getting dragged under the shuttle. So, I tried using type 1738 industrial needles and they sewed just fine.

You want the bobbin pressure just tight enough to provide a little resistance. The top gets more tension.

If the needle is way too big you might get loops on the bottom.

Finally, make sure that the spring on the take-up lever is properly tightened.

Thank you so much wiz, I only wish you lived in Aus, I have tried what you have quoted, but to no avail, I can't find the needles you suggest? can you tell me where to get these? also I can't seem to locate the tension spring on the needle bar just above the needle? I think its part number 8656 thats off the 29K71 mines says a 29K6 but i haven't been able to find anything on this machine. Other than that i think everything else is ok? the tension disc does'nt seperate, but one of the disc does need replacing, as it has a chunk out of it.. have to find these also. but it does'nt seem to affect it.

I went to the local boot maker here who has a 29K58 but he was'nt helpful and would'nt let me even have a look supposedly a OH&S issue. Grrrrrrrrrr

[Wizcrafts]

Thank you so much wiz, I only wish you lived in Aus, I have tried what you have quoted, but to no avail, I can't find the needles you suggest? can you tell me where to get these?

All industrial sewing machine dealers have these needles. They are the most commonly used system in garment sewing machines and post machines. They are also known as system DBx1, 16x257, 16X257LR, DBXF2, 1738LR

also I can't seem to locate the tension spring on the needle bar just above the needle?

Lower the needle all the way down. Use a flashlight or movable lamp to observe the needlebar and look just above the removable puece that secures the needle. Better yet, unscrew the needle holder completely from the bar. You should see a paddle shaped spring along the thread path, ending just above where the needle holder mounts. The paddle piece provides tension to the thread as the loops are being formed and in between stitches. If this spring has broken off at the paddle, you will have skipped stitches and other problems with sewing.

I had a bent paddle spring on my patcher when I first got it and bought a replacement with two tiny screws, for very little cost, from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. I can't imagine it would be very expensive to have a spring, a pair of screws, a pair of tension disks and a few packs of 1738LR needles mailed to you. You can find their contact details on their website.

Edited October 5, 2011 by Wizcrafts

[Aussiegal]

All industrial sewing machine dealers have these needles. They are the most commonly used system in garment sewing machines and post machines. They are also known as system DBx1, 16x257, 16X257LR, DBXF2, 1738LR

Lower the needle all the way down. Use a flashlight or movable lamp to observe the needlebar and look just above the removable puece that secures the needle. Better yet, unscrew the needle holder completely from the bar. You should see a paddle shaped spring along the thread path, ending just above where the needle holder mounts. The paddle piece provides tension to the thread as the loops are being formed and in between stitches. If this spring has broken off at the paddle, you will have skipped stitches and other problems with sewing.

I had a bent paddle spring on my patcher when I first got it and bought a replacement with two tiny screws, for very little cost, from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. I can't imagine it would be very expensive to have a spring, a pair of screws, a pair of tension disks and a few packs of 1738LR needles mailed to you. You can find their contact details on their website.

Thanks so much Wizcrafts,

I have had a look and the the spring is broken, I have been in contact with Toledo sewing machines and they are getting me a quote as we speak for the parts. Hopefully this will fix all my problems. Thank you again. I don't wish to be a pain, but I have started to pull it apart to get the needle bar out, Is there somewhere on this site that tells me how to get it out?.. I have undone the 4 screws but I can't get the pin out of the top of it where the take up lever is... a big frightened to give it a hard it hit with a punch. thats all that seems to be holding it all together.

Iam sure Ive seen how somewhere. Thank you again :-) From the Aussie gal down under

[CowboyBob]

That pin is a taper pin that you hammer out from the back ,you might want to put a small round pipe in front w/a hammer behind it then hit from the back.

Bob

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

I will be in Murrurundi for the festival on the 22nd and 23rd of October. If you can lug the machine up there I don't mind having a play with it for you and I have some spare parts if they are needed.

Thank you so much wiz, I only wish you lived in Aus, I have tried what you have quoted, but to no avail, I can't find the needles you suggest? can you tell me where to get these? also I can't seem to locate the tension spring on the needle bar just above the needle? I think its part number 8656 thats off the 29K71 mines says a 29K6 but i haven't been able to find anything on this machine. Other than that i think everything else is ok? the tension disc does'nt seperate, but one of the disc does need replacing, as it has a chunk out of it.. have to find these also. but it does'nt seem to affect it.

I went to the local boot maker here who has a 29K58 but he was'nt helpful and would'nt let me even have a look supposedly a OH&S issue. Grrrrrrrrrr

[Aussiegal]

That pin is a taper pin that you hammer out from the back ,you might want to put a small round pipe in front w/a hammer behind it then hit from the back.

Bob

Thank you Bob, its all apart, soaking in kero, and the paddle on the tension spring was broken off, so hopefully all will be well after I get the parts, Thannk you so much and also to Wizcrafts you 2 are awesome.

[Aussiegal]

I will be in Murrurundi for the festival on the 22nd and 23rd of October. If you can lug the machine up there I don't mind having a play with it for you and I have some spare parts if they are needed.

Thank you so much for your offer, I am awaiting parts from US, If i get them by the date, I might give it a day trip away and come and visit, may do it anyway, I think I now have a fetish for old singer machines, been throughly enjoying this project, cleaning pulling apart and putting back together, must be the frustrated micarno builder in me somewhere, lol you will here me sing when I get it like new :-) this whole site will here me.. This site and the PPL are fantastic.