What Comes First White Or Ox Blood

[2CR]

I am starting a new project, Dark cherry color breast collar with White lettering. Iam new to the stain/ dying thing. I am planning on using oxblood and USMC black in an

air sprayer. So would I be able to spray the peice then paint in the letters white? Or should I use a resist like block out or tan kote and if so what order would I do

this in?

Thanks:helpsmilie:

[MADMAX22]

usually with the white lettering you tool or stamp the letters. Then paint/stain the item. Once that is dry and you have sealed it with some kind of resist use a white antique to fill in the letters. Atleast that is how I have usually scene it done. Once sealed the resist may work (experiment first) with acrylics as well.

[Spinner]

I am starting a new project, Dark cherry color breast collar with White lettering. Iam new to the stain/ dying thing. I am planning on using oxblood and USMC black in an

air sprayer. So would I be able to spray the peice then paint in the letters white? Or should I use a resist like block out or tan kote and if so what order would I do

this in?

Thanks:helpsmilie:

If you're air spraying, definitely use a resist on the lettering or use a liquid mask to cover them up. Since you'll be using an acrylic paint or a "leather paint" for the white, the light stains a liquid mask would leave won't matter as the paint will cover them up.

The acrylics will go over a resist just fine as they simply adhere to the surface anyway and simply needs some tooth/texture to grab onto.

[2CR]

Can I use Eco Flo Cova Color (white) on top of the Feibings Dye or will it just come off? I also have the feibings white dye, but I havent tried it yet. After reading old posts on here I am not sure I will ge the coverage needed. I am tooling the letters on the breast collor.

Edited November 19, 2011 by 2CR

[Spinner]

Cova color will work fine over any dye, it's simply an acrylic paint. The Fiebings white "dye" is more like a latex paint as it is non-penetrating and uses a very heavy pigment. I have used it for projects before and it's best used through a sprayer as it tends to go on very thinly and uneven with a brush. The drawback is as a latex similar paint it tends to dry fast and gum up the airbrush. Basically I find better and longer lasting results with water based acrylics.

Keep in mind, that if you choose to spray the whole piece and then paint the white on over the dark dye it will take MANY coats to get a decent white but it will always be a slightly off white due to the dark base/under color. Best best is to mask or resist the area first so the lighter leather natural color is the base for the white.

Edited November 20, 2011 by Spinner

[2CR]

Where do I find liquid mask ? I havent had much luck with super sheen or the block out. I think I might not be putting on enough coats. Or maybe not drying it long enough??

Thank you for your help!

[Spinner]

Where do I find liquid mask ? I havent had much luck with super sheen or the block out. I think I might not be putting on enough coats. Or maybe not drying it long enough??

Thank you for your help!

Incredible Liquid Mask & Frisket can be found at most art stores and also on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Grafix-2-Ounce-Incredible-Liquid-Frisket/dp/B00139SZU4 spend the extra few bucks and get the nib that goes with it, makes fine detail masking much easier.

Liquid latex works well also but it tends to stain a bit more.

As for the Super Sheen/Block Out, it takes 3-4 coats that have dried over night to work properly. If you have a store near you that sells Neat-Lac or Saddle-Lac, that stuff works even better.

[2CR]

OK thanks for the info I will be on the hunt! Neat lac is no longer available in Canada, not sure about saddle lac, I will check for that as well. I found a product called

Bob Dively Model Aircraft Liquid Masking Film and a called a art store and they have a couple of things I will look at. The sale lady counld tell me if the products

were ok for leather.

Thanks again

[Spinner]

OK thanks for the info I will be on the hunt! Neat lac is no longer available in Canada, not sure about saddle lac, I will check for that as well. I found a product called

Bob Dively Model Aircraft Liquid Masking Film and a called a art store and they have a couple of things I will look at. The sale lady counld tell me if the products

were ok for leather.

Thanks again

Not a problem. The Model Aircraft stuff is likely close but the art store will likely have something better. The main difference between liquid latex and art paper liquid mask is the ammonia content. Liquid Latex tends to have a higher ammonia content than the artist version does since the art version is meant to use with watercolor & acrylic paints on various canvases and papers. The ammonia is what stains leather so anything you find, you'll want it to be good for archival or fine painting uses. If it does stain the leather even a little, a quick cleaning with lemon juice or oxalic acid works well to lighten the affected area.

[radar67]

Acrylic resolene mixed 50/50 with water makes a good resist too.

[2CR]

Well I found a liqud mask fiskit at an art supply store. Tried it on a scrape an yeh this stuff works great!

Now to get the black cherry color and things will be great

Acrylic resolene mixed 50/50 with water makes a good resist too.