Adler 104-25

[Phatdaddy]

I found an Adler 104-25, I haven't seen it in person yet.

I don't have a picture as of yet either, these machine are very rare in these parts. Can any of you tell me the details on thicknesses and uses. It's flatbed walking foot, single needle. Availability for parts etc.

Thanks, and sorry for the questions.

Kevin

[oldtimer]

From a Googled pic it looks to be a jump foot system, not a walking foot.

I had a 105-25 and it didn´t have a walking foot

/ Knut

[CowboyBob]

Knut is right I know thw 105-25 is for sewing moccasins,so the 104-25 is the same machine only a flatbed,the top foot can be adjusted to make shorter stitches than the bottom so you have the ruffled look.The bad thing is on their shoe type of machine like this model the hook runs the different that the standard machine & makes a weird looking stitch on the bottom side.Just sew on some leather before you buy it & you'll see what I mean.

Bob

[Phatdaddy]

Knut is right I know thw 105-25 is for sewing moccasins,so the 104-25 is the same machine only a flatbed,the top foot can be adjusted to make shorter stitches than the bottom so you have the ruffled look.The bad thing is on their shoe type of machine like this model the hook runs the different that the standard machine & makes a weird looking stitch on the bottom side.Just sew on some leather before you buy it & you'll see what I mean.

Bob

I haven't committed to anything, I was wondering if you could tell me what thicknesses I could expect to sew with this machine and what thread sizes it would handle?

Would you consider this a good choice for a general purpose machine for sewing veg tan? or only softer leathers?

Thanks a ton,

Kevin

[CowboyBob]

The max would be 3/8",but the stitch will look bad on the bottom side no matter what you do since the bobbin loads from the front instead of the side.The needle threads from front to back instead of left to right.

If you want to PM me your email I'll send you some pics of the shuttle & you can see the way it loads from the front.

Bob

[Trox]

Hi all, I can not find a Adler 104-25, Adler did not make one.

The Adler 104 came in subclasses;104-2, 104-VN2,104-VN2S,

104-23,104-64,104-102, 104Ws-102S, 104-4102S.

The subclasses: 102,Ws-102S and-4102S has a hook that is angled 90 degree and face the operater. (This are special machines 2 needle ornament and so on). But all the 104 has hooks that turns the same way, they turn the same way as all the rest of the classes Adler big classes; 105, 204 and 205.( I have checked the complete list of Adlers 105 and 104, my own 105-25MO, class 204 and class 5, Sorry Bob but they all turn the same way)

No 104-25 is produced, it may be as a special order. But why should they when they had the 104-23

The machine on the Google search is most likly a 104-23, that has the same feed as a 105-25; under feed and a driven upper foot.

The feed can be adjusted different for ruffing work as Sewmun said. The machine for moccasins is the 105-25MO. The only difference on the -25 and the -25Mo is the needle plate and the feed dog. Install a feed dog and a other needle plate and you have a 25.

When we refer to the jump foot, is is a spring loaded foot, the Adler 105-8 has this foot. Non of the 104 has a that kind of jumpfoot, the 104-23 has a driven upper foot as the 105-25 and MO verson. The ones with the driven foot ( a one foot walking foot) has no reverse. But you kan take of the stitch regulator locking plate (two screws) and set the driven upper foot to idle; and you have a reverse. Information on old Adler classes can be found here:

http://sew24.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html

Trox

Knut is right I know thw 105-25 is for sewing moccasins,so the 104-25 is the same machine only a flatbed,the top foot can be adjusted to make shorter stitches than the bottom so you have the ruffled look.The bad thing is on their shoe type of machine like this model the hook runs the different that the standard machine & makes a weird looking stitch on the bottom side.Just sew on some leather before you buy it & you'll see what I mean.

Bob

[Gump]

Hi I'm a new member and signed up because of this post. Adler did make a 104-25 and it is not a walking foot machine. There is one for sale on Kijiji Halifax N.S. I looked at several Adler sites and they no longer list any parts for it.The pictures on kijiji are good and it has only one shaft besides the needle bar.It may be a jump foot, but it doesn't look like my 111 w 155 or my 145 w 103. I passed it up because of a lack of available parts or info. Hope info was useful. Gump.

Hi all, I can not find a Adler 104-25, Adler did not make one.

The Adler 104 came in subclasses;104-2, 104-VN2,104-VN2S,

104-23,104-64,104-102, 104Ws-102S, 104-4102S.

The subclasses: 102,Ws-102S and-4102S has a hook that is angled 90 degree and face the operater. (This are special machines 2 needle ornament and so on). But all the 104 has hooks that turns the same way, they turn the same way as all the rest of the classes Adler big classes; 105, 204 and 205.( I have checked the complete list of Adlers 105 and 104, my own 105-25MO, class 204 and class 5, Sorry Bob but they all turn the same way)

No 104-25 is produced, it may be as a special order. But why should they when they had the 104-23

The machine on the Google search is most likly a 104-23, that has the same feed as a 105-25; under feed and a driven upper foot.

The feed can be adjusted different for ruffing work as Sewmun said. The machine for moccasins is the 105-25MO. The only difference on the -25 and the -25Mo is the needle plate and the feed dog. Install a feed dog and a other needle plate and you have a 25.

When we refer to the jump foot, is is a spring loaded foot, the Adler 105-8 has this foot. Non of the 104 has a that kind of jumpfoot, the 104-23 has a driven upper foot as the 105-25 and MO verson. The ones with the driven foot ( a one foot walking foot) has no reverse. But you kan take of the stitch regulator locking plate (two screws) and set the driven upper foot to idle; and you have a reverse. Information on old Adler classes can be found here:

http://sew24.blogspo.../downloads.html

Trox

[Trox]

Hi Gump,

Welcome.

Then I have recruited a new member. I have seen this add before. The sign on the front of the machine is gone, that machine is a 104-23, not a 25. It is common to do this kind of mistake, because of the similarity to the cylinder arm 105-25. When the number plate is gone, there is nothing that proves it is a 104-25. That machine is not in any of Dürkopp Adler’s lists or manuals, the 23 is the 25 version in flat bed. If this is not a custom-made machine, but why would they custom make a machine they already produced, the 104-23. The feed is the same as the 105-25, under and top feed.

(it has a feed dog and a feeding foot. with separate adjustment for ruffing work) When you American talk about a “walking foot machine“, you really mean a triple unison feed machine (under, over and needle feed, adjusted together) those triple feeds has a feeding foot and a vibrating foot. (together with a walking needle and a feed dog)

Any machine that has one foot that walks can be called a “walking foot machine” so that is really a bad term. Thanks for your comment, but it is common errors in adds to list wrong subclass numbers.

Thanks

Trox

Hi I'm a new member and signed up because of this post. Adler did make a 104-25 and it is not a walking foot machine. There is one for sale on Kijiji Halifax N.S. I looked at several Adler sites and they no longer list any parts for it.The pictures on kijiji are good and it has only one shaft besides the needle bar.It may be a jump foot, but it doesn't look like my 111 w 155 or my 145 w 103. I passed it up because of a lack of available parts or info. Hope info was useful. Gump.