Super Sheen Taking Off Dye1

[glockanator]

First time using super sheen and this happened

[Shooter McGavin]

Eco-Flo dye?

[glockanator]

Eco-Flo dye?

No fiebeings USMC black

[Shooter McGavin]

Looks like it hardly penetrated. Did you apply anything before the dye? Was the leather still wet when you applied dye? USMC Black is hardly water soluble so it's not really the fault of the sealant but a failure on the dye.

[glockanator]

Looks like it hardly penetrated. Did you apply anything before the dye? Was the leather still wet when you applied dye? USMC Black is hardly water soluble so it's not really the fault of the sealant but a failure on the dye.

Nope nothing before the dye. I had let it dry for like two days before applying the dye. I have re dyed it and have let is sit for several hours. When I get home from work I will throm some more Super sheen on it see what happens

[BondoBobCustomSaddles]

If that doesn't work, then try some de-glazer to get all oils or whatever else is on it off, before you re-dye and then let it dry a good 24 hrs, before using supersheen. I usually make sure the project is clean with de-glazer or laquer thinner before I dye. Makes life a lot easier!

Bob

[Mudruck]

Wow, Ive had USMC black come off some when putting finish on, but nothing like that! How was the USMC applied? Rubbed in or an airbrush?

Nope nothing before the dye. I had let it dry for like two days before applying the dye. I have re dyed it and have let is sit for several hours. When I get home from work I will throm some more Super sheen on it see what happens

[glockanator]

Wow, Ive had USMC black come off some when putting finish on, but nothing like that! How was the USMC applied? Rubbed in or an airbrush?

Dobber

[Sylvia]

I have fought black before as well. It doesn't seem to matter to me if it is Angelus, or Fiebings... The stuff just is nasty to work with. My first "black" project was awful. Rubbed off in places so I deglazed and tried again. It rubbed off again... I could see the color of the leather. I died it purple... that stuff also rubbed off. I died it navy... it rubbed off too. So I dyed it black one more time... let it dry two days out of frustration.... then put eco flo dark cocoa brown over it. It turned out black! What the??

Second time... it was Fiebings USMC black.... rubbed off. deglazed... put Fiebings OIL Black over it.... it rubbed off. or more precisely.... it moved around on the surface..

if rubbed in a different direction... it "hid" the see through. hmmm... So I oiled it one more time. Let that dry... then sprayed a coat of eco-flo black on it. Let that dry and then sprayed satin sheen. (no more rub off)

I find black to be so bad that I was tempted to charge an additional $75 per coat of the stuff.

So recently I brewed some vinegaroon. I stain with vinegaroon, then put oil over that... then black antique paste... then seal. And I'm still tempted to charge extra.....

[dickf]

It penetrated the best in areas you didn't mold. I think you burnished the surface of the leather and prevented the dye from being able to get through. In my opinion, there are 2 things you can do:

#1 - Dip dye after assembly but before molding (I prefer this method)

#2 - Mold using a press with very little rubbing action from your tools, then dip dye the piece

Dip dyeing provides the best penetrating, truest color in my experience, and has no substitute. While I have no first hand knowledge of Super Sheen, I can tell you that what you show in your photos is what would have happened regardless of the product you used.

Good luck!

*edit - just saw Sylivia's post -

I've never had an issue with black dye, especially Angelus products. I really think you should try dip dyeing your piece before molding - it will make a world of difference.

Edited April 24, 2012 by dickf