Durkopp-Adler 267 Vs Pfaff 1245

[FIFI6464]

On 11/16/2012 at 7:37 PM, Trox said:

They are both in the same class (upholstry class sewing machines) and will do the same. To compare them I need the sub class numbers on both. (the number behinde 267 and 1245). Picture and price will also help.

Thanks

Trox

Trox,there are two different models of Phaff 1245. The old one beige color and the new gray color model.

What is the difference on this machines.  Thanks

[Trox]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 6:27 AM, FIFI6464 said:

Trox,theWhen itre two different models of Phaff 1245. The old one beigeit comesolor and the new gray color model.

What is the difference on this machines.  Thanks

HI, Like mentioned by others in an earlier post there are different color machines of the 1245, first one gray color, then yellow and current model is white. The current white 1245 is different from the older ones. The exterior is very different but I do not think they are very different inside. However, the new one might also be produced in China. Perhaps not all the new white ones are produced there, but today's machines most likely is. I do not know for sure where they are produced, China will be my guess. When it comes to spec on the new machine, these are avaiable on Pfaff industrial  http://www.pfaff-industrial.com/en/applications/naehen/lederwaren

I do not think is much different in thread/needle size, bobbin size or foot lift between old and current version. Nevertheless, I cannot be sure before I go in and compare the machine leaflets. Im sorry but do not have these data in my head, I belive you also will find documentation on the old type in Pfaff´s web site.

When it comes to quality the old gray machines was better made that the later yellow same looking model. However, what it gains in quality it looses on age/usage. Anyway, if you find a old Grey machine in good condition you have a machine for life.

Tor

[Ballu]

On 17/11/2012 at 7:07 AM, Trox said:

They are both in the same class (upholstry class sewing machines) and will do the same. To compare them I need the sub class numbers on both. (the number behinde 267 and 1245). Picture and price will also help.

Thanks

Trox

Hi Trox good morning, I have a similar Da k267-373 like you , just want to confirm if it is a manually oiled machine also can it take threads up to #15 or #10. 

Thanks 

[Uwe]

The Durkopp Adler is a manually oiled machine according to the Durkopp Adler 267 Parts list ( adler-267-parts.pdf):

 

The Durkopp Adler 267 Brochure ( Leaflets_Adler_class_267_part1.pdf) has all the specs you need.

 

 

[WISRepair73]

In 2016 I trained in Bielefeld, Germany. Every machine is built and tested there now.

[Uwe]

10 hours ago, WISRepair73 said:

In 2016 I trained in Bielefeld, Germany. Every machine is built and tested there now.

That may be true for a few particular models.

Perhaps you misinterpreted something or somebody misspoke when you were there. Durkopp Adler has factories in several countries (Germany, Czech Republic, China, etc.) Only a select number of models are produced in Bielefeld nowadays, mostly high-end automated workstations for garment production. The Durkopp Adler 267 Traditional in particular is produced in China, I'm quite certain.

The showroom in Bielefeld appears to have nearly every model Durkopp Adler (and Pfaff) currently makes on display, but not all those machines are built in Bielefeld. At least that was true when I was there in 2017.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Uwe

[shoepatcher]

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2013 at 11:05 PM, stolea said:

The 268 is the two needle version, the same as the 1246 is the two needle version of the 1245. They have 2 hooks and bobbins. That's why they have the same size throat plates on either side. its where the second hook and base goes.

No the 268 Adler is a post machine.  The 267-273 is the double needle version.  The old Minerva plant in the Czech republic is where DA machines are assembled.  They have a parts plant in Romania.  Germany is the warehouse and world headquarters.

Edited February 5, 2019 by shoepatcher
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[WISRepair73]

On 2/4/2019 at 7:34 PM, Uwe said:

That may be true for a few particular models.

Perhaps you misinterpreted something or somebody misspoke when you were there. Durkopp Adler has factories in several countries (Germany, Czech Republic, China, etc.) Only a select number of models are produced in Bielefeld nowadays, mostly high-end automated workstations for garment production. The Durkopp Adler 267 Traditional in particular is produced in China, I'm quite certain.

The showroom in Bielefeld appears to have nearly every model Durkopp Adler (and Pfaff) currently makes on display, but not all those machines are built in Bielefeld. At least that was true when I was there in 2017.

You may be right. While training I did not get a chance to see EVERY part. Place is HUGE! LOL! They are part of the SK Group with Beisler and others. (I suck at spelling by the way with 4 languages in my head). They were stress testing machines, repairing others, and hand building even more machines there.

[shoepatcher]

That is true.  Parts plant in Romania employees about 3000 workers I am told.  The assembly plant is in the Czech Republic.  I believe the 267 and one other light weight Adler machine is built in China.  Germany is World headquarters, showroom and inventory for machines and parts.  Pfaff has a plant in Germany and one in China.  Still both companies produce some great machines.  I own both Pfaff and Adler machines.

glenn

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