Durkopp-Adler 267 Vs Pfaff 1245

[Andrew Chee]

Normally not, however you can build the DA 267 in to a two needle with a special kit. Both needles will then use the same bobbin thread, so it will not become a true 2 needle machine. I think http://www.kwokhing.com/da/ have this kit, or It is available from Dürkopp Adler.

Trox

Are you sure about this? I don't see how you can have two needles feeding off the same bobbin. Do you have any pictures of such a conversion? I would be very interested in seeing one.

Andrew

[stolea]

I just bought a 1990's Pfaff 1245 in very good condition for $AU1200. It will replace a Seiko LSW-8L. I have used the Seiko from new for the past 25 years and have never been able to really make friends with it. Its one of those machines that works just fine........... until the pressure is on and you have to get a job done. And then it decides to drop stitches or create those annoying pearls of thread on the underside.

I also have a Pfaff 345 and love that machine. its like a swiss watch and never misses a beat even when it works well beyond its optimal range. And for the heavy stuff I have an Adler 205-370 (Gernany made!!) and a 1923 Pearson #6 that would sew plywood if it has to. In fact it has stitched leather to masonite. Not bad for a 90 year old machine. It has needles the size of knitting needles and produces the closest stitch appearance wise to hand stitching.

Edited March 8, 2013 by stolea

[stolea]

The 268 is the two needle version, the same as the 1246 is the two needle version of the 1245. They have 2 hooks and bobbins. That's why they have the same size throat plates on either side. its where the second hook and base goes.

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

We have a new 267 machine coming in from Durkopp Adler, already on order but not here, and no firm ETA.

Machines originally were from Germany, of course, and we after that had a pretty decent run on the Chinese 267-373 machines DA was offering for a number of years before they, again, stopped production. New model is coming in from China as well, is my understanding. The positive is that the older 267s will still be supported, even though Adler never ran out of replacement parts that I'm aware of at all with this model series.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

I don't know about this model but DA bought Minerva in the Czech republic and they now produce a lot of machines for them. Minerva was quite a good manufacturer in the 60's.

[FIFI6464]

On 11/16/2012 at 7:37 PM, Trox said:

They are both in the same class (upholstry class sewing machines) and will do the same. To compare them I need the sub class numbers on both. (the number behinde 267 and 1245). Picture and price will also help.

Thanks

Trox

Trox,there are two different models of Phaff 1245. The old one beige color and the new gray color model.

What is the difference on this machines.  Thanks

[Trox]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 6:27 AM, FIFI6464 said:

Trox,theWhen itre two different models of Phaff 1245. The old one beigeit comesolor and the new gray color model.

What is the difference on this machines.  Thanks

HI, Like mentioned by others in an earlier post there are different color machines of the 1245, first one gray color, then yellow and current model is white. The current white 1245 is different from the older ones. The exterior is very different but I do not think they are very different inside. However, the new one might also be produced in China. Perhaps not all the new white ones are produced there, but today's machines most likely is. I do not know for sure where they are produced, China will be my guess. When it comes to spec on the new machine, these are avaiable on Pfaff industrial  http://www.pfaff-industrial.com/en/applications/naehen/lederwaren

I do not think is much different in thread/needle size, bobbin size or foot lift between old and current version. Nevertheless, I cannot be sure before I go in and compare the machine leaflets. Im sorry but do not have these data in my head, I belive you also will find documentation on the old type in Pfaff´s web site.

When it comes to quality the old gray machines was better made that the later yellow same looking model. However, what it gains in quality it looses on age/usage. Anyway, if you find a old Grey machine in good condition you have a machine for life.

Tor

[Ballu]

On 17/11/2012 at 7:07 AM, Trox said:

They are both in the same class (upholstry class sewing machines) and will do the same. To compare them I need the sub class numbers on both. (the number behinde 267 and 1245). Picture and price will also help.

Thanks

Trox

Hi Trox good morning, I have a similar Da k267-373 like you , just want to confirm if it is a manually oiled machine also can it take threads up to #15 or #10. 

Thanks 

[Uwe]

The Durkopp Adler is a manually oiled machine according to the Durkopp Adler 267 Parts list ( adler-267-parts.pdf):

 

The Durkopp Adler 267 Brochure ( Leaflets_Adler_class_267_part1.pdf) has all the specs you need.

 

 

[WISRepair73]

In 2016 I trained in Bielefeld, Germany. Every machine is built and tested there now.