interweaves

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Shelly

That would be great if ya could do that when ya get the time. It would be nice to see. But there's no hurry on my part. I think I figured another way of skinning this cat. Hopefully I can post pics. tomorrow (I guess it's today) if I get it licked. Once again Thanks

Mike

[Alan Bell]

I'm in the middle of a set of romal reins and a bosal so I don't have time to do it either but if you think about it the answer is easy. I told you it looks like you are basically one row over from where you need to be. You are coming out at the bottom of the start and you should be at the top of the start so..... at the top when you do the first cross if you went under 4 that would move you over to the next row so you will end up at the top of the start. Actually I think on the first one it is an under 3 just like the previous pass and then the next time is under 4 with the 4th string being the string from the 1st pass of THIS interweave! Again sorry I don't have time to braid one that size up too show you but I think you can follow the logic. You are always building things UP and there is never a pass where things are less than before because you have added a string. They are at least the same as the previous pass or greater. So your U2 cross can not be right.

Vaya Con Dios, Alan Bell

[KAW]

rawhide1

It looks like to me that your first interweave came out right (non colored string) and why your second one is not is you are trying to make it one pass shorter than the first interweave and on a 6 bight knot it doesn,t come out right, you end up at your standing end every 2 rounds. If you make 1 more ring of colored interweave like you made your first or 1 less it will come out correct, it might tighten it up some but that is what it looks like to me, if you go 1 shorter you may have to make 1 more interweave to fill the gap, hope this helps

KAW

[Alan Bell]

rawhide1

It looks like to me that your first interweave came out right (non colored string) and why your second one is not is you are trying to make it one pass shorter than the first interweave and on a 6 bight knot it doesn,t come out right, you end up at your standing end every 2 rounds. If you make 1 more ring of colored interweave like you made your first or 1 less it will come out correct, it might tighten it up some but that is what it looks like to me, if you go 1 shorter you may have to make 1 more interweave to fill the gap, hope this helps

KAW

I thought this might also be the case but am not able to check it out. There are so many different knots and ways of doing them and such that it is hard to keep them all straight in your head. I was trying to tie one that is one less turn in the foundation than your and I have tied it countless times but I started over twice before I finally looked it up in a book to see where I was messing up! Plus, it is easier to see what is going on when you are the one that just tied the knot other than looking at the pic of a knot from someone else. At any rate I think you will get it figured out and having been through this will help you understand HOW knots are built up from one level to the next.

Vaya Con Dios, Alan Bell

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KAW, Alan

Thank You for your help. KAW I figured it had something to do with the bights and # of interweaves because as you say I keep coming out at my starting end every second pass. But I just don't know enough about the structure of knots so thank you for the explaination. So I went a differnt route before I read these last post. I was able to do the interweavs in sets of two and it all worked out. Why and how it worked I have know idea but everything came out where it was supposed to I think. Here are a couple of pictures of it. Once again everyone Thank You.

Mike

[Shelly]

Looks good - however you finally were able to get it done! Looks like you moved some of the foundation strands and made room for the colored ones...this knot is basically no different than a heel knot on a bosal - a six bight rather than 8 or more, but the principles of adding bights when building a foundation knot and then filling in for gaps is the same - I will usually fill in with filler colors, such as you've done here, to fill in final areas...A quick look at the heel knots on these two pix - you will be able to see the additions of the different IW's - the red roo is only two rows, and the black is three, as well as an additional darker rawhide IW...in your case, you have two less bights than these knots in the pix, and an additional turn around the knot when you laid the foundation. On these heel knots, there is only one cross on the back (at the top), and one on the front, (at the bottom, crossing over the standing end), to start.

Referring back to a book is the main reason I asked if you might have Hought's books - she is a good teacher, and her books make great reference material should you ever get 'stuck' like this...and, they are easier to follow than any of the others out there...I taught myself out of Grant's Encyclopedia, and I never refer anyone to that book unless they just want the material in their library - there are mistakes in it! Gail has been braiding longer than I have, and had the added benefit of being able to have early guidance from Ortega - and he wasn't very open to teaching anyone anything!

I'll try to get a knot done such as yours soon - I need to braid up a set of romal reins for my show horse - planning a 12 plait rein with a 16 plait romal, in roo, and the knots in rawhide with contrasting colors in roo...will do a floral popper as well...I have a lot of core material that I acquired from a close personal friend of Luis Ortega (he got a box of stuff from Rose after Luis passed away), all of it was cut and labeled by Rose, I assume, as to which pieces would be best for reins, romals, etc...will use some of that for my project...

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Shelly

Thanks for the help. I wound up cutting that knot off I didn't like how it looked due to handling it so much. My wife thought I was crazy after all the hrs I had in it. Plus it was the second knot I've cut off after spending a lot of time on. I do have one of Mrs. Hought books and it is easy to follow. I would like to get them all but they are kinda of out of my reach right now. Which one would ya recomend for building interweaves. I have the one on rommels. BTW very nice web site.

Mike

[Shelly]

Shelly

Thanks for the help. I wound up cutting that knot off I didn't like how it looked due to handling it so much. My wife thought I was crazy after all the hrs I had in it. Plus it was the second knot I've cut off after spending a lot of time on. I do have one of Mrs. Hought books and it is easy to follow. I would like to get them all but they are kinda of out of my reach right now. Which one would ya recomend for building interweaves. I have the one on rommels. BTW very nice web site.

Mike

Thanks for the compliments - it's a work in progress...I've also cut up plenty of stuff in the past, and still do today...

As for Gail's books, I just recommend all of them...but, if you have to pick and choose, then get the more advanced books first, and the others later - I don't actually use them myself, but I like to keep a library of the things I find relevant to my work, then I can show anyone that is interested in finding out how to get started what I think would be helpful to them - if they can look thru these, it helps them to decide which to order for themselves first....

Shelly

[rgerbitz]

Hey Mike,

I am currently having the same problem on tool handle I am practicing on. If I understand KAW, you are saying that the O3,U3 passes must run with O2,U2 and that it cannot start more in the middle of the knot on a 6 bight knot?

[KAW]

rgerbitz, you can but it wil come back to your standing end every 2 rounds and you would have to use 3 strings to finish it if you follow your over 2 under 2 interweave you will use just the one sometimes it can get alittle tight depending on your core size, that is why it is nice to know alot of different interweaves so you can combine them on certain knots and core sizes, it can be aful frustrating at times, for me it just took making a hell of alot of knots.

KAW

Edited August 26, 2008 by KAW