CFM chuck123wapati Posted July 30, 2021 CFM Report Posted July 30, 2021 20 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: The downside of trying to protect a species is how the protection sometimes backfires. Horse lovers have succeeded in getting the slaughter of horses banned in the U.S.A. That means the unwanted, elderly and infirm are now shipped long distances to meet their deaths in Mexico or Canada, or even shipped overseas. The wild horse problem here goes even further they live on crucial winter range for the wildlife year around, come winter there is no forage for the elk , deer and pronghorns so many die off. the liberals have any real management efforts totally blocked at the federal level so they overpopulated. Of the few that do get caught we send some to the honor farm, prison, to be broke and trained then are sold to horse buyers. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members oltoot Posted July 30, 2021 Members Report Posted July 30, 2021 Wild Horses were getting along with native wildlife before bison and Indians were killed off and replaced by domestic livestock and so on. How far back do you go to put things right? Today's wild horses must be managed, not eliminated Quote
Members Sheilajeanne Posted July 30, 2021 Members Report Posted July 30, 2021 [agrees with oltoot] The reason wild horses had to be protected was because ranchers felt they were competing with cattle and other livestock for grazing, so they were rounding them up and sending them to slaughter, or sometimes just shooting them, or even poisoning their waterholes. Never mind that the mustangs were on the land for generations before ranchers came with their cattle. Read Margeurite Henry's book about Wild Horse Annie* if you want the full story about the fight to protect them. Annie got involved after she noticed a livestock truck rolling down the highway with blood leaking out of it. She followed it to the slaughterhouse, and found it was crammed full of mustangs, many of them injured. The movie, The Misfits, wasn't an exaggeration - the methods used to round the horses up were incredibly cruel. *Mustangs: Wild Spirit of the West, by Margeurite Henry Velma Johnston, aka WIld Horse Annie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Bronn_Johnston Quote
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CFM chuck123wapati Posted July 30, 2021 CFM Report Posted July 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, oltoot said: Wild Horses were getting along with native wildlife before bison and Indians were killed off and replaced by domestic livestock and so on. How far back do you go to put things right? Today's wild horses must be managed, not eliminated i totally agree Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted July 30, 2021 CFM Report Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: [agrees with oltoot] The reason wild horses had to be protected was because ranchers felt they were competing with cattle and other livestock for grazing, so they were rounding them up and sending them to slaughter, or sometimes just shooting them, or even poisoning their waterholes. Never mind that the mustangs were on the land for generations before ranchers came with their cattle. Read Margeurite Henry's book about Wild Horse Annie* if you want the full story about the fight to protect them. Annie got involved after she noticed a livestock truck rolling down the highway with blood leaking out of it. She followed it to the slaughterhouse, and found it was crammed full of mustangs, many of them injured. The movie, The Misfits, wasn't an exaggeration - the methods used to round the horses up were incredibly cruel. *Mustangs: Wild Spirit of the West, by Margeurite Henry Velma Johnston, aka WIld Horse Annie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Bronn_Johnston they didn't have to be protected they had to be managed! Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Sheilajeanne Posted July 30, 2021 Members Report Posted July 30, 2021 Chuck, first the wholesale slaughter had to be stopped. Velma's fight began during the 1950's, and she was fighting some very powerful interests. Management came after laws were passed to protect them. Of course, the population needs to be managed. Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted July 30, 2021 CFM Report Posted July 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: Chuck, first the wholesale slaughter had to be stopped. Velma's fight began during the 1950's, and she was fighting some very powerful interests. Management came after laws were passed to protect them. Of course, the population needs to be managed. its another thing you only know one side of sorry i wont debate it. I can drive ten miles and see the results. The management has been stopped and wildlife as well as wild horses are starving to death. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Sheilajeanne Posted July 30, 2021 Members Report Posted July 30, 2021 Can't argue with that, Chuck. Management ain't going to work if it's not being enforced. What state is this? And is it public or private land, or both? Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted July 30, 2021 CFM Report Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: Can't argue with that, Chuck. Management ain't going to work if it's not being enforced. What state is this? And is it public or private land, or both? Wyoming. it is both, its called the checkerboard here because the gubment gave the railroad every other section of land 20 miles on each side of the union pacific when it was first built in a checker board pattern. they have started back at rounding them up the last few years but its still an iffy subject dependent totally upon politics instead of logic. http://corrections.wyo.gov/home/wild-horse-program Edited July 30, 2021 by chuck123wapati Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
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